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That's exactly how the Nazis thought. They were quick to shut down any speech they didn't like.

shadowgovt 4y ago
The Nazis also breathed air; that doesn't make breathing air immediately suspect. Can we think of some good reasons for suppression of communication? I can name several (disruption of ongoing stochastic terrorism, disruption of immediate harassment process, failure to comply with the TOS of a private corporation voluntarily doing business with the offending party, use of network compromising service provision for third parties in the same system), and many of them apply to the KF situation.
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- leereeves 4y ago
  Many of them apply to every major communications service. I could cite examples of harassment and "stochastic terrorism" on Twitter, reddit, Facebook, etc, but I doubt I need to.
  - shadowgovt 4y ago
    Correct, and the difference between them and KF is (a) their market cap and (b) the work they've done, consistently, to address issues when they come up, up to and including using automation to scale the moderation pipeline. KF either can't or won't keep its house in order, and at this point, the can't-won't difference is immaterial. I welcome someone making a solid run at providing another channel alongside Twitter / FB / et al, but this ain't it.
    - leereeves 4y ago
      That difference is, I fear, ideological rather than principled. Think of all the harassment directed at Kyle Rittenhouse, or the Covington Catholic kids, or just Republicans generally, on reddit and Twitter. Harassment was featured on the front page. That isn't a small problem that the moderators are unaware of; it's an ideological belief that certain harassment is acceptable.
      - shadowgovt 4y ago
        It's almost certainly both, because Nazism is also an ideology (one with no platform given and no platform deserved). FWIW, I've gotten kicked from FB far more often for vitriolic criticism of the right than the left. At least to my eye, they try to steer an even keel... If people are seeing more Republicans get snagged, I think it's because of their own social circle (because filter bubbles are pretty thick these days).

The Nazis also breathed air; that doesn't make breathing air immediately suspect. Can we think of some good reasons for suppression of communication? I can name several (disruption of ongoing stochastic terrorism, disruption of immediate harassment process, failure to comply with the TOS of a private corporation voluntarily doing business with the offending party, use of network compromising service provision for third parties in the same system), and many of them apply to the KF situation.

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leereeves 4y ago
Many of them apply to every major communications service. I could cite examples of harassment and "stochastic terrorism" on Twitter, reddit, Facebook, etc, but I doubt I need to.
- shadowgovt 4y ago
  Correct, and the difference between them and KF is (a) their market cap and (b) the work they've done, consistently, to address issues when they come up, up to and including using automation to scale the moderation pipeline. KF either can't or won't keep its house in order, and at this point, the can't-won't difference is immaterial. I welcome someone making a solid run at providing another channel alongside Twitter / FB / et al, but this ain't it.
  - leereeves 4y ago
    That difference is, I fear, ideological rather than principled. Think of all the harassment directed at Kyle Rittenhouse, or the Covington Catholic kids, or just Republicans generally, on reddit and Twitter. Harassment was featured on the front page. That isn't a small problem that the moderators are unaware of; it's an ideological belief that certain harassment is acceptable.
    - shadowgovt 4y ago
      It's almost certainly both, because Nazism is also an ideology (one with no platform given and no platform deserved). FWIW, I've gotten kicked from FB far more often for vitriolic criticism of the right than the left. At least to my eye, they try to steer an even keel... If people are seeing more Republicans get snagged, I think it's because of their own social circle (because filter bubbles are pretty thick these days).