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• Cyberdog 4y ago
  • wickedsickeune 4y ago
    What is the motive of the lie? To shut down Kiwi Farms?
    • BlargMcLarg 4y ago
      <MrKrabs>Money.</MrKrabs> They aren't actively lying or even putting in effort to lie for the sake of it. They just aren't putting in the effort to uncover the truth and explaining things beyond outrage bait. A few clickbait articles help generate clicks among a majority crowd that doesn't even know what KF is, and will have forgotten by tomorrow. They just care about the clicks. Which leads to millions of half-truths which are far more complicated in depth, but most people aren't going through the effort to criticize what they read. They just want the quick drama to talk about and go on with their day. Anyone who's read a magazine intended for the opposite gender can tell most of the articles regarding their own gender is largely bogus half-truths missing nuance. It's no different in most other spaces, but it's not as obvious when you don't have expertise on the matter yourself.
  • jakelazaroff 4y ago
    You know the site was public when it was still up, right? Look at the evidence Keffals collected, for example: https://twitter.com/keffals/status/1560375267721363456 https://twitter.com/keffals/status/1560375267721363456
    • Cyberdog 4y ago
      Oh, yes, well, I know I said you couldn't trust Business Insider, but if no less a credible and unbiased authority as Keffals says something, then I must humbly stand corrected.
      • jakelazaroff 4y ago
        That link is full of screenshots of Kiwi Farms. Where exactly are the goalposts here?
        • Cyberdog 4y ago
          The goalposts are a post on KF which advocates violence or doxing, was not mocked or deleted, and is still currently on KF - so screenshots of posts taken before they were mocked and/or deleted do not count (and it's quite possible any such screenshots in Keffals' possession were posted by Keffals or another affiliate and then snapped before they were mocked and/or deleted anyway). Again, if this is such frequent behavior, you should be able to fire up a Tor browser, go to the site, and drop several links to such posts right now.
          • croon 4y ago
            Make a snapchat like site where only terrorists post, and posts are erased after 2 hours. No harm no foul, since nothing is permanent?
            • Cyberdog 4y ago
              Not sure where you're going with this since KF doesn't work this way.
              • croon 4y ago
                Your argument was that since bad posts were eventually removed, the site itself was not advocating those things, sidestepping the issue of which people are drawn there and what the main use of the site is.
  • felixgallo 4y ago
    don't be ridiculous. You could go to that forum and any number of other forums, and see a plethora of examples of doxxing, brigading, targeting, encouragement, and celebration of swatting. That's not 'the media' lying to you, that's simple direct observable fact.
    • Cyberdog 4y ago
      "Any number of other forums" is not the topic of discussion here. If you can find any posts on Kiwi Farms which encouraged or celebrated swatting and were not ridiculed by other users and/or deleted by mods, please do so. Since this is so common, this should be an easy task, right?
      • felixgallo 4y ago
        I'm thankfully having trouble going there today, but I'll note that (a) you narrowed the topic to only swatting and gosh I wonder why that is, and also (b) that posts celebrating swatting are somehow mitigated by being 'ridiculed by other users' is an intriguingly contortionist theory.
        • Cyberdog 4y ago
          Doxxing (in the sense of collecting and sharing personal but almost always legally accessible information about a person) was already ceded as something that happens on KF far up thread.
          • ryan_lane 4y ago
            People get banned for posting about swatting, but one of the primary reasons people dox others is to be able to harass them in real life. If someone is doxed you can swat them without needing to coordinate anything, or brag about it on a forum. Folks in the forum can see the person posting about getting swatted, then all laugh at that person. Folks being harassed by KF get swatted after being doxed. It's pretty easy to make the conclusion that they're being swatted because they've been doxed on KF.
  • vintermann 4y ago
    One who did not impress with critical thinking skills, was swatting victim (and notorious US right-wing politician) Marjorie Taylor Greene. The person phoning in false reports on them literally did this, as transparently as possible. Via KnowYourMeme: > According to a police report obtained by the Daily Dot, a caller tipped the police to inform them that a man had been shot five times in a bathtub in Greene's home. Police arrived at Greene's home and confirmed no such incident had occurred. The tipper then called the police department again and, using a computer-generated voice, explained the motive for their false tip was their opposition to Greene's stances on transgender youth's rights. They also stated they were a Kiwi Farms user and said their username was AltisticRight, an admin on the site. And Marjorie Taylor Greene actually believed that the tipper told the truth and supported the deplatforming of the site. So much for the "politically incorrect" being any better on this sort of thing.
    • Cyberdog 4y ago
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      • grzm 4y ago
        > MTG is a boomer Are you using this as a pejorative or as a descriptor? If the latter, what's your definition of "boomer"? She was born in 1974.
        • Cyberdog 4y ago
          "Boomer" is internet slang for a (usually, but not necessarily, older) person with little awareness of the internet and its culture. It doesn't have any strong connection to proper baby boomers. The opposite would be a "zoomer" - a young person who is unaware of older internet culture or perhaps just culture in general. A Facebook person who doesn't know what Fortnite is would be a boomer; a TikTok kid who doesn't know what the dancing baby meme is or who Michael Jackson is would be a zoomer.
          • grzm 4y ago
  • cuteboy19 4y ago
    Some proof would be nice. This is just conjecture. Maybe you are lying
    • Cyberdog 4y ago
      I have no proof that the person who called the police and said they are not AltisticRight from the Kiwi Farms was not really AltisticRight from the Kiwi Farms. But again, use a little critical thinking. Most of the time people do not gleefully name themselves after they have committed a major crime.
      • latexr 4y ago
        > But again, use a little critical thinking. Most of the time people do not gleefully name themselves after they have committed a major crime. Do a web search for “dumb criminals” and you might want to revisit that thought. “America's Dumbest Criminals”¹ had enough content to run for over one hundred episodes in four seasons over two decades years ago. ¹ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America%27s_Dumbest_Criminals https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America%27s_Dumbest_Criminals