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This is not reddit, calm down on the snark and try to actually have a discussion if you're gonna go for it. Its easy to say those things for someone you dislik

This is not reddit, calm down on the snark and try to actually have a discussion if you're gonna go for it. Its easy to say those things for someone you dislike, but zoom out and look at the implications, you have a campaign pretty much asking cloudflare to stand aside and allow them to do DDOS attacks on a website which apparently won several lawsuits against them already(ill dig up the sources a bit later on when I get home, sorry). And that's before getting into what this "harassment" that is being reported by every journalist seems to actually be, or rather, the sources thereof. In the previous couple threads I tried to get a bit deeper into what those things actually were and i'm yet to get a straight answer with archives or something. Maybe kiwifarms is all people say they are, but I've been part of a regional forum that was vilified for handwavy accusations from people that hated us and had said accusations get a life of their own, and were pretty much all fabrications or things blown out of context to the extreme, of course in an infinitely smaller scale, and of course you'll have to take my word for it. So I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

KptMarchewa 4y ago
> This is not reddit, calm down on the snark and try to actually have a discussion if you're gonna go for it. Like the slippery slope of dropping terrorist harrasser site being "extremely scary" is actually an attempt of discussion, right?
- cowtools 4y ago
  You could call any politically-adjacent forum a "terrorist harasser" site. Is Wikileaks not a "terrorist harasser site" in the 9/11-era rhetoric?
  - philosopher1234 4y ago
ajross 4y ago
> Maybe kiwifarms is all people say they are "All people say they are" is a site running coordinated harassment campaigns, including SWATing and bomb threats, though. Those are clear crimes. You can't seriously be arguing that CloudFlare or DDos-Guard or whoever shouldn't be allowed to choose not to do business with that sort of thing, can you? Like so many others here[1], your perception thing seems to be based solely on your personal judgement as to whether the claims are true. But if they're true, it doesn't seem very controversial at all. And even if they're not true, it seems like the only party's judgement that really matters here (absent law enforcement, of course), is CloudFlare's. [1] I admit I've been stunned at the general level of anti-trans sentiment in these threads. So many of these subthreads end in arguments like yours, which sound like they're trying to be arguments of general libertarian principle but end up falling into subjectivity traps.
- philippejara 4y ago
  My friend i've been trying to get some archive links or anything that shows any real evidence of swatting from the website, which seemed at the time to be completely open and freely archive-able and yet it's like trying to pull water out of a stone. Furthermore you have articles like the one from the AP[0] straight up saying: "They gang up on victims and pool their personal details such as addresses and phone numbers in a practice called “doxxing,” spreading vile rumors and targeting workplaces, friends, families and homes. Another favorite tactic has been “swatting” — making false emergency calls to provoke an armed police response at a target’s home. " Without any evidence of it anywhere, surely if a public open forum had been so infamous for swatting someone as to be described as "another favorite tactic" there would be a paper trail? And that's pretty much all the articles I've read. I'm not even being given a chance to use my personal judgement to evaluate the evidence because there doesn't seem to be evidence? My original post in this thread already addresses the matter regarding it being CloudFlare's judgment in the end. [0]: https://apnews.com/article/technology-gay-rights-7d64f7b71736e091a4b5d1b3935551b5 https://apnews.com/article/technology-gay-rights-7d64f7b7173...
  - juliosueiras 4y ago
    is more due to the fact that KF is born from the sole purpose of harassment(CWC) then move to harass more than just that one person
terminatornet 4y ago

KptMarchewa 4y ago

> This is not reddit, calm down on the snark and try to actually have a discussion if you're gonna go for it. Like the slippery slope of dropping terrorist harrasser site being "extremely scary" is actually an attempt of discussion, right?

cowtools 4y ago
You could call any politically-adjacent forum a "terrorist harasser" site. Is Wikileaks not a "terrorist harasser site" in the 9/11-era rhetoric?
- philosopher1234 4y ago

ajross 4y ago

> Maybe kiwifarms is all people say they are "All people say they are" is a site running coordinated harassment campaigns, including SWATing and bomb threats, though. Those are clear crimes. You can't seriously be arguing that CloudFlare or DDos-Guard or whoever shouldn't be allowed to choose not to do business with that sort of thing, can you? Like so many others here[1], your perception thing seems to be based solely on your personal judgement as to whether the claims are true. But if they're true, it doesn't seem very controversial at all. And even if they're not true, it seems like the only party's judgement that really matters here (absent law enforcement, of course), is CloudFlare's. [1] I admit I've been stunned at the general level of anti-trans sentiment in these threads. So many of these subthreads end in arguments like yours, which sound like they're trying to be arguments of general libertarian principle but end up falling into subjectivity traps.

philippejara 4y ago
My friend i've been trying to get some archive links or anything that shows any real evidence of swatting from the website, which seemed at the time to be completely open and freely archive-able and yet it's like trying to pull water out of a stone. Furthermore you have articles like the one from the AP[0] straight up saying: "They gang up on victims and pool their personal details such as addresses and phone numbers in a practice called “doxxing,” spreading vile rumors and targeting workplaces, friends, families and homes. Another favorite tactic has been “swatting” — making false emergency calls to provoke an armed police response at a target’s home. " Without any evidence of it anywhere, surely if a public open forum had been so infamous for swatting someone as to be described as "another favorite tactic" there would be a paper trail? And that's pretty much all the articles I've read. I'm not even being given a chance to use my personal judgement to evaluate the evidence because there doesn't seem to be evidence? My original post in this thread already addresses the matter regarding it being CloudFlare's judgment in the end. [0]: https://apnews.com/article/technology-gay-rights-7d64f7b71736e091a4b5d1b3935551b5 https://apnews.com/article/technology-gay-rights-7d64f7b7173...
- juliosueiras 4y ago
  is more due to the fact that KF is born from the sole purpose of harassment(CWC) then move to harass more than just that one person

terminatornet 4y ago