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How are three people dead because of KF? Not concern trolling, a google search only turned up a kiwifarms thread that _could_ have been relevant, but is now ob
by TOMDM 4y ago
How are three people dead because of KF?
Not concern trolling, a google search only turned up a kiwifarms thread that _could_ have been relevant, but is now obviously inaccessable.
- yanderekko 4y agoPeople who have threads on KiwiFarms have (allegedly) committed suicide. That's about all that's required to attribute each death causally to KiwiFarms. It's an incredibly weak standard.
- squeaky-clean 4y agoKiwiFarms members often don't just take notes of those they laugh at. They actively get involved in harassing them, online, through the phone and in person.
- yanderekko 4y agoSo was this the case for any of the people who actually committed suicide in a way that establishes a reasonable causal nexus? My impression is that the answer is "no".
- terminatornet 4y ago
- UncleMeat 4y agoYes. KF has been explicitly mentioned in a suicide note.
- yanderekko 4y agoYes, but iirc the suicide note doesn't claim that the KF thread was leading to ongoing direct harassment that motivated the (alleged) suicide. Just that the mere existence of the thread played a role. So we're back to "if someone has a KiwiFarms thread and kills themselves, then KiwiFarms is to blame".
- UncleMeat 4y agoIf somebody writes about something in their suicide note, that easily clears the bar for "relevant for their decision making about their suicide" to me. What would the required evidence look like for you? Sworn testimony to a notary saying that it was KF and nothing else?
- yanderekko 4y agoThere are two questions here: - Whether KF was relevant to their suicide - Whether ongoing harassment from KF was relevant to their suicide Unless one equates the mere existence to the thread itself with ongoing harassment then one can answer affirm the former question without the latter. The "required evidence" for the latter would require some sort of allegation that KF members were actively harassing Near at some point reasonably prior to their suicide, which afaik was just not alleged.
- e2le 4y agoI do wish people would archive these pages to dissuade any doubt of wrongdoing. For the love of god, please use archive.ph or archive.org.
- forgotpwd16 4y agoPeople do archive those pages and have seen links were posted multiple times here. The issue is those pages posted end up going against to what the people wanting KF down say.