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Why do all of these tools block everything NSFW? What I want more than anything is to see what kind of horrifying H.R. Geiger imagery these things can come up

by donatj 4y ago

Why do all of these tools block everything NSFW? What I want more than anything is to see what kind of horrifying H.R. Geiger imagery these things can come up with.

FloatArtifact 4y ago
> Why do all of these tools block everything NSFW? > What I want more than anything is to see what kind of horrifying H.R. Geiger imagery these things can come up with. Why does Google have a safe mode? Sorry, people should have the option for unwanted content. I would like to show these projects off to friends and co-workers without the risk of generating explicit content. These generators need settings to toggle such behavior.
- donatj 4y ago
  The great part about safe mode is that you can turn it off. I'm an adult, I don't want what I see filtered for my own good.
- yreg 4y ago
  As a central european I don't see what would be bad about showing my friends or co-workers a tool like this and accidentally producing NSFW results. If anything, we would find it funny. This comment is not an argument, just a cultural exchange. I appreciate your feelings too and of course an option to toggle the filter is always the best.
  - tsol 4y ago
    Are any of your friends famous? Because if you use it to generate an image of said famous person naked, then you might see why some feel uncomfortable about the implications of this tech.
    - yreg 4y ago
      I highly doubt SD can generate a nude image of an actual famous person unless it is specifically asked to do that. Even then, if you are showing DrawAnything to your famous friend and concerned about this, why would you choose to use your friend's name in the demo prompt?
yreg 4y ago
https://dezgo.com/ https://dezgo.com/ doesn't. Only the author knows their reasons for this specific case, but in general it seems internet services tend to follow american conservative views on nudity. I mean why is it strictly forbidden to post a topless photo on almost any mainstream social network again? Another reason is liability, in case the model truly happens to generate something that might be illegal in author's jurisdiction and they are afraid of ever so shortly storing the image on their server.
bioemerl 4y ago
This is just something you have to accept, because if these sites did not block not safe for work content everyone using them would almost immediately start using it to generate nude images of the people they know in real life and other very scummy things. In the long run this is something we're just going to have to learn to deal with as a society, here is a new power we have and it's not going back in the bottle. But in the short run having these filters is a good way to slow down the inevitable and give us a little bit more time to adapt to this new reality. In the meantime, you can run it yourself and I think that's a perfectly fine compromise.
- kristopolous 4y ago
  So. That's. How. You. Make. Money. With. It
  - ben_w 4y ago
    You say that like we should.
    - deleted 4y ago
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- jstanley 4y ago
  > everyone using them would almost immediately start using it to generate nude images of the people they know in real life and other very scummy things. Even if this were true, I don't see what is scummy about it. Is it scummy for you to imagine people naked? If it's not scummy for you to do it, why is it scummy for you to use a computer to do it? It's not like you're getting actual photographs. It's all made up.
  - bioemerl 4y ago
    The scummy part is that they are physical concrete images that you can share with other people. Imagination cannot escape your head, but these images can. The threat is somewhat unique from something like Photoshop as well, because the barrier to entry is much much lower quality can be much much higher. Right now, at this transfer point, having nude images of yourself all over the internet when you did no such picture taking is going to be really tragic and infuriating and frustrating and harmful. I kind of agree with you, it doesn't necessarily hurt anyone, but this is something we're going to have to adapt and learn how to deal with, not something we can just be reckless with.
pwinnski 4y ago
SD had a single user show up and discover how good the model was at generating gore, and suddenly many, many users showed up to generate gory pictures, and every channel was filled with gory pictures until they put in overly-broad keyword filters to stem the flood. They've been really open about why they're doing what they're doing on the regularly weekly "office hours" Discord audio chats.
- pwinnski 4y ago
  My mistake, it's Midjourney that has the overrun of gore, the weekly office hours, etc. Not Stable Diffusion.

by donatj 4y ago

Why do all of these tools block everything NSFW? What I want more than anything is to see what kind of horrifying H.R. Geiger imagery these things can come up with.

FloatArtifact 4y ago

> Why do all of these tools block everything NSFW? > What I want more than anything is to see what kind of horrifying H.R. Geiger imagery these things can come up with. Why does Google have a safe mode? Sorry, people should have the option for unwanted content. I would like to show these projects off to friends and co-workers without the risk of generating explicit content. These generators need settings to toggle such behavior.

donatj 4y ago
The great part about safe mode is that you can turn it off. I'm an adult, I don't want what I see filtered for my own good.
yreg 4y ago
As a central european I don't see what would be bad about showing my friends or co-workers a tool like this and accidentally producing NSFW results. If anything, we would find it funny. This comment is not an argument, just a cultural exchange. I appreciate your feelings too and of course an option to toggle the filter is always the best.
- tsol 4y ago
  Are any of your friends famous? Because if you use it to generate an image of said famous person naked, then you might see why some feel uncomfortable about the implications of this tech.
  - yreg 4y ago
    I highly doubt SD can generate a nude image of an actual famous person unless it is specifically asked to do that. Even then, if you are showing DrawAnything to your famous friend and concerned about this, why would you choose to use your friend's name in the demo prompt?

yreg 4y ago

https://dezgo.com/ https://dezgo.com/ doesn't. Only the author knows their reasons for this specific case, but in general it seems internet services tend to follow american conservative views on nudity. I mean why is it strictly forbidden to post a topless photo on almost any mainstream social network again? Another reason is liability, in case the model truly happens to generate something that might be illegal in author's jurisdiction and they are afraid of ever so shortly storing the image on their server.

bioemerl 4y ago

This is just something you have to accept, because if these sites did not block not safe for work content everyone using them would almost immediately start using it to generate nude images of the people they know in real life and other very scummy things. In the long run this is something we're just going to have to learn to deal with as a society, here is a new power we have and it's not going back in the bottle. But in the short run having these filters is a good way to slow down the inevitable and give us a little bit more time to adapt to this new reality. In the meantime, you can run it yourself and I think that's a perfectly fine compromise.

kristopolous 4y ago
So. That's. How. You. Make. Money. With. It
- ben_w 4y ago
  You say that like we should.
  - deleted 4y ago
    [deleted]
jstanley 4y ago
> everyone using them would almost immediately start using it to generate nude images of the people they know in real life and other very scummy things. Even if this were true, I don't see what is scummy about it. Is it scummy for you to imagine people naked? If it's not scummy for you to do it, why is it scummy for you to use a computer to do it? It's not like you're getting actual photographs. It's all made up.
- bioemerl 4y ago
  The scummy part is that they are physical concrete images that you can share with other people. Imagination cannot escape your head, but these images can. The threat is somewhat unique from something like Photoshop as well, because the barrier to entry is much much lower quality can be much much higher. Right now, at this transfer point, having nude images of yourself all over the internet when you did no such picture taking is going to be really tragic and infuriating and frustrating and harmful. I kind of agree with you, it doesn't necessarily hurt anyone, but this is something we're going to have to adapt and learn how to deal with, not something we can just be reckless with.

pwinnski 4y ago

SD had a single user show up and discover how good the model was at generating gore, and suddenly many, many users showed up to generate gory pictures, and every channel was filled with gory pictures until they put in overly-broad keyword filters to stem the flood. They've been really open about why they're doing what they're doing on the regularly weekly "office hours" Discord audio chats.

pwinnski 4y ago
My mistake, it's Midjourney that has the overrun of gore, the weekly office hours, etc. Not Stable Diffusion.