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I don't understand why you are getting down-voted for your comment. This is exactly what happens. I've been in on more than 30 or 40 so AfD discussions. There i

I don't understand why you are getting down-voted for your comment. This is exactly what happens. I've been in on more than 30 or 40 so AfD discussions. There is usually a deep debate of it. In the end it's not about votes either. We leave long explanations as our points for or against. We weigh the arguments. It prevents the "+1 me too! I agree!" responses from adding to it so consensus by vote doesn't always matter.

gergles 15y ago
The actual results were 7:6. On what planet is that "consensus"? Oh wait, another WikiMagicThing is that only some votes count and some votes count more than others and what votes count is completely up to the arbitrary decision of someone who has no accountability for their decisions. Right.
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- zbowling 15y ago
  Consensus cannot be found in votes alone. Don't over simplify things. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus and: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:!VOTE#Straw_poll_guidelines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:!VOTE#Straw_poll_guid... If you see the world in black and white, you're missing important grey matter. ~Jack Fyock
- wpietri 15y ago
  AfD closure isn't a vote. It's a discussion. The closer resolved on the merits of the arguments. And they are of course accountable; people who do a bad job closing can end up taking a ton of heat. But they're accountable to the Wikipedia community, not to the general public.
  - gergles 15y ago
    Wikipedia editors can claim all day long it isn't a vote, but the sailent point of the AfD "Discussion" is a bolded "Keep" or "Delete" right at the beginning of each response. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, ...
    - wpietri 15y ago
      The most obvious thing is not always the most obvious thing. And the distinguishing characteristic of a vote isn't that people express opinions; it's how the opinions are counted. Go read a number of closings of tricky AfDs and you'll soon see that it's the arguments that really matter.

gergles 15y ago

The actual results were 7:6. On what planet is that "consensus"? Oh wait, another WikiMagicThing is that only some votes count and some votes count more than others and what votes count is completely up to the arbitrary decision of someone who has no accountability for their decisions. Right.

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zbowling 15y ago
Consensus cannot be found in votes alone. Don't over simplify things. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus and: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:!VOTE#Straw_poll_guidelines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:!VOTE#Straw_poll_guid... If you see the world in black and white, you're missing important grey matter. ~Jack Fyock
wpietri 15y ago
AfD closure isn't a vote. It's a discussion. The closer resolved on the merits of the arguments. And they are of course accountable; people who do a bad job closing can end up taking a ton of heat. But they're accountable to the Wikipedia community, not to the general public.
- gergles 15y ago
  Wikipedia editors can claim all day long it isn't a vote, but the sailent point of the AfD "Discussion" is a bolded "Keep" or "Delete" right at the beginning of each response. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, ...
  - wpietri 15y ago
    The most obvious thing is not always the most obvious thing. And the distinguishing characteristic of a vote isn't that people express opinions; it's how the opinions are counted. Go read a number of closings of tricky AfDs and you'll soon see that it's the arguments that really matter.