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Again, there's a difference between your free speech being "squelched", and no-one wanting to entertain your nonsense, and you haven't really explained why you

Again, there's a difference between your free speech being "squelched", and no-one wanting to entertain your nonsense, and you haven't really explained why you think there isn't.

mlyle 4y ago
See danShumway's comment that puts it better than me: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32712819 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32712819 Concentrated power in the path of speech or commerce is dangerous, whether it's governmental or private. Many parties deciding independently whether to "entertain my nonsense" is good. One critical party in the path (governmental or commercial) is bad.
- Gordonjcp 4y ago
  Okay, but there is no "concentrated power". You are just as free as anyone else to host KF.
  - mlyle 4y ago
    > Okay, but there is no "concentrated power". You are just as free as anyone else to host KF. We're not talking about hosting KF. There's lots of hosts. And Cloudflare was not hosting KF, but instead providing DDoS protection services. But there's approximately 2-3 services that can reject DDoS at high scale. Or maybe slightly more. This is right at the threshold of concern. Here, I think the decision that was made was a good one, but at the same time a very small number of unaccountable parties making this kind of determination is worrying.
    - Gordonjcp 4y ago
      So either don't host stuff that gets you DDoSed, or work out a way to spin up something else that copes with rejecting DDoS at scale. Either way, if you're saying something so reprehensible that no-one will allow you to use their platform to say it, maybe you should look at what you're saying.
      - mlyle 4y ago
        It's really at the point where I need to repeat the same thing: > > > Many parties deciding independently whether to "entertain my nonsense" is good. One critical party in the path (governmental or commercial) is bad. Have a nice rest of your day; I'm done.

Again, there's a difference between your free speech being "squelched", and no-one wanting to entertain your nonsense, and you haven't really explained why you think there isn't.

mlyle 4y ago

See danShumway's comment that puts it better than me: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32712819 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32712819 Concentrated power in the path of speech or commerce is dangerous, whether it's governmental or private. Many parties deciding independently whether to "entertain my nonsense" is good. One critical party in the path (governmental or commercial) is bad.

Gordonjcp 4y ago
Okay, but there is no "concentrated power". You are just as free as anyone else to host KF.
- mlyle 4y ago
  > Okay, but there is no "concentrated power". You are just as free as anyone else to host KF. We're not talking about hosting KF. There's lots of hosts. And Cloudflare was not hosting KF, but instead providing DDoS protection services. But there's approximately 2-3 services that can reject DDoS at high scale. Or maybe slightly more. This is right at the threshold of concern. Here, I think the decision that was made was a good one, but at the same time a very small number of unaccountable parties making this kind of determination is worrying.
  - Gordonjcp 4y ago
    So either don't host stuff that gets you DDoSed, or work out a way to spin up something else that copes with rejecting DDoS at scale. Either way, if you're saying something so reprehensible that no-one will allow you to use their platform to say it, maybe you should look at what you're saying.
    - mlyle 4y ago
      It's really at the point where I need to repeat the same thing: > > > Many parties deciding independently whether to "entertain my nonsense" is good. One critical party in the path (governmental or commercial) is bad. Have a nice rest of your day; I'm done.