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I don't understand your use of the word "triage". Unless I am mis-understanding, you are defining it as "we will triage unvaccinated Covid patients as "not need
by fdewrewrewf 4y ago
I don't understand your use of the word "triage". Unless I am mis-understanding, you are defining it as "we will triage unvaccinated Covid patients as "not needing care"". In which case - everything I've said still stands. Should we triage smokers with lung cancer as "not needing care"? You would also be conflating "triage a medical condition" with "make a moral judgement about deserving care".
Obviously there isn't a "bad choice" if the "right choice" has been forced on everyone (which is nearer the truth).
>I must have missed the huge numbers of lung cancer patients clogging up the healthcare system
You should look a bit harder.
https://news.cancerresearchuk.org/2012/11/07/lung-cancer-uk-price-tag-eclipses-the-cost-of-any-other-cancer/ https://news.cancerresearchuk.org/2012/11/07/lung-cancer-uk-...
And that's just one of many largely self-inflicted but expensive conditions that people receive treatment for, and (at least in the UK) at huge amounts of expense to the taxpayer.
>Why don't you go find out? I think the answer will surprise you!
Just to be clear, you said that "the healthcare system [was] full of those who didn't get vaccinated".
Finding out the percentage of hospitalisations that were unvaccinated and Covid-related does require comparing a few data sources, so it's not a simple Google away. I'll focus on mechanical ventilation usage, as that was the easiest data to find, and use UK data as that's where I live.
First - the easy number to find is the percentage of Covid patients in ICU who are unvaccinated. It varied during the main pandemic months between 50% and 75%[1]. Let's call it 62%.
Next - how many patients is that? Picking the end of December, that's around 750[2].
Finally - how many mechanical ventilators are available in total? It varies, but 5000 is a good number[3].
Multiplying it all out, the percentage of ventilated beds that were occupied at the end of December 2021 by unvaccinated, Covid-positive people was 9%.
Who's surprised?
[1] https://fullfact.org/health/unvaccinated-icu-channel4-icnarc/ https://fullfact.org/health/unvaccinated-icu-channel4-icnarc...
[2] https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-hospital-activity/ https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas..., "Weekly Admissions and Beds from 1 October 2021 up to 31 March 2022 (XLSX, 2.6MB)"
[3] https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/11/1/e042945 https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/11/1/e042945
>get the goddamn vaccine.
Yep, heard that one before. You realise you are taking part in a discussion on research into serious side effects of the Covid vaccines?