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Is it too early to say the internet is done for because it's looking that way to me. keffals has given the government the recipe to kill off any website they wa

Is it too early to say the internet is done for because it's looking that way to me. keffals has given the government the recipe to kill off any website they want gone. I'm hearing that keffals creatures are now attacking TOR to get them to drop kiwi too. This isn't going to stop, 4chan is definitely next then every other site that isn't mainstream.

goldenchrome 4y ago
I don’t think 4chan is next. I believe the site has staying power because its users are anonymous. Anonymity means it’s very difficult for leaders to emerge which means it’s difficult to rally behind a particular cause. This means it’s difficult for 4chan to grow in influence as an organized force. It’s just a steady state of low-level chaos, which is good for containment. I’m also quite confident that the FBI monitors the site and I don’t think they want to see all those borderline people scurry off into different corners of the internet should the site go offline.
- spoonjim 4y ago
  Speaking from personal experience, when a “bad” forum is shut down the members are not usually successful in spreading their toxicity into other areas. Sadly it sort of just dies.
  - bt4u 4y ago
  - julianbuse 4y ago
    sadly?
    - spoonjim 4y ago
      I mean sadly for me and probably better off for everyone else
- _vvaw 4y ago
  Kiwi Farms users are anonymous too. The owner of KF regularly cooperates with American law enforcement.
daptaq 4y ago
> I'm hearing that keffals creatures are now attacking TOR to get them to drop kiwi too. How is that even possible? Would the Tor project hard-code an onion-site it won't resolve?
- stepupmakeup 4y ago
  Anything is possible at this point. Even the administrator of Kiwi Farms is expecting APNIC to revoke their /24, because the Twitter mob has been very vocal of who their next harassment targets are.
  - jacooper 4y ago
    Has there even been a precedent of a domain being revoked for such a thing?
    - golf1052 4y ago
      No it's never happened.
      - jacooper 4y ago
        Let's hope it stays this way. Its not that far fetched to imagine a campaign against verisign to remove a .com domain.
- DaSHacka 4y ago
  Yes, and they actually already discussed such a possibility back when the Daily Stormer first moved to Tor[0]. They ultimately shot down the idea, and just put out a statement condemning them instead[1][2]. I think it's unlikely they would implement such a thing for KiwiFarms now that they've already set the precedent with a site that is arguably much worse. [0] https://gitlab.torproject.org/legacy/trac/-/issues/23270 https://gitlab.torproject.org/legacy/trac/-/issues/23270 [1] https://twitter.com/torproject/status/898256109789687808 https://twitter.com/torproject/status/898256109789687808 [2] https://blog.torproject.org/tor-project-defends-human-rights-racists-oppose/ https://blog.torproject.org/tor-project-defends-human-rights...
faangiq 4y ago
You’re at least ten years late.
jfax 4y ago
4chan's experienced this kind of attack back in 2003, the year it was found. Users from another website contacted its host over it's hosting of lolicon. moot diplomatically resolved the issue and 4chan has more-or-less been up since. The lindy effect dictates that, having experienced these kinds of shocks along the way, 4chan will be up for another 15 years.
Febra33 4y ago
How is the government involved in the decision made by a private company? I fail to see the point you're trying to make here. Also, I seriously doubt that Keffals is influencing the entire "government" (what country are we even talking about). Also, "attacking TOR"? Do you know by any chance how TOR works?
UncleMeat 4y ago
I visit some "non mainstream" D&D forums. I'm pretty sure I've seen the n-word written zero times there. Not a single forum avatar is a swastika. I'd be cautious about elevating KF to the level of "every other site that isn't mainstream."

goldenchrome 4y ago

I don’t think 4chan is next. I believe the site has staying power because its users are anonymous. Anonymity means it’s very difficult for leaders to emerge which means it’s difficult to rally behind a particular cause. This means it’s difficult for 4chan to grow in influence as an organized force. It’s just a steady state of low-level chaos, which is good for containment. I’m also quite confident that the FBI monitors the site and I don’t think they want to see all those borderline people scurry off into different corners of the internet should the site go offline.

spoonjim 4y ago
Speaking from personal experience, when a “bad” forum is shut down the members are not usually successful in spreading their toxicity into other areas. Sadly it sort of just dies.
- bt4u 4y ago
- julianbuse 4y ago
  sadly?
  - spoonjim 4y ago
    I mean sadly for me and probably better off for everyone else
_vvaw 4y ago
Kiwi Farms users are anonymous too. The owner of KF regularly cooperates with American law enforcement.

daptaq 4y ago

> I'm hearing that keffals creatures are now attacking TOR to get them to drop kiwi too. How is that even possible? Would the Tor project hard-code an onion-site it won't resolve?

stepupmakeup 4y ago
Anything is possible at this point. Even the administrator of Kiwi Farms is expecting APNIC to revoke their /24, because the Twitter mob has been very vocal of who their next harassment targets are.
- jacooper 4y ago
  Has there even been a precedent of a domain being revoked for such a thing?
  - golf1052 4y ago
    No it's never happened.
    - jacooper 4y ago
      Let's hope it stays this way. Its not that far fetched to imagine a campaign against verisign to remove a .com domain.
DaSHacka 4y ago
Yes, and they actually already discussed such a possibility back when the Daily Stormer first moved to Tor[0]. They ultimately shot down the idea, and just put out a statement condemning them instead[1][2]. I think it's unlikely they would implement such a thing for KiwiFarms now that they've already set the precedent with a site that is arguably much worse. [0] https://gitlab.torproject.org/legacy/trac/-/issues/23270 https://gitlab.torproject.org/legacy/trac/-/issues/23270 [1] https://twitter.com/torproject/status/898256109789687808 https://twitter.com/torproject/status/898256109789687808 [2] https://blog.torproject.org/tor-project-defends-human-rights-racists-oppose/ https://blog.torproject.org/tor-project-defends-human-rights...

faangiq 4y ago

You’re at least ten years late.

jfax 4y ago

4chan's experienced this kind of attack back in 2003, the year it was found. Users from another website contacted its host over it's hosting of lolicon. moot diplomatically resolved the issue and 4chan has more-or-less been up since. The lindy effect dictates that, having experienced these kinds of shocks along the way, 4chan will be up for another 15 years.

Febra33 4y ago

How is the government involved in the decision made by a private company? I fail to see the point you're trying to make here. Also, I seriously doubt that Keffals is influencing the entire "government" (what country are we even talking about). Also, "attacking TOR"? Do you know by any chance how TOR works?

UncleMeat 4y ago

I visit some "non mainstream" D&D forums. I'm pretty sure I've seen the n-word written zero times there. Not a single forum avatar is a swastika. I'd be cautious about elevating KF to the level of "every other site that isn't mainstream."