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Hospitals have always checked for vaccines in public health crises when relevant. That is part of the playbook. They have also required staff to be vaccinated f
by billythemaniam 4y ago
Hospitals have always checked for vaccines in public health crises when relevant. That is part of the playbook. They have also required staff to be vaccinated for decades. Schools at all levels have required proof for decades. Those other businesses didn't need to check because most likely someone was already vaccinated or enough people were vaccinated to achieve herd immunity. COVID was the first virus and vaccine in decades that needed to be treated similarly to measles, etc.
Please stop throwing the word gaslighting around. First, it has a specific meaning that isn't relevant here. Second, using that word in this context just shows ignorance on the current topic.
- zmgsabst 4y agoI think it’s entirely appropriate to call this gaslighting: - you didn’t actually name any similar time - you admit that this was unusual by a number of the places I listed - the polices around COVID are unprecedented in history, eg refusal with mandates being a small fine rather than being exiled from society - you resorted to personal attacks, despite you being wrong
- billythemaniam 4y agoYour bullet points just show that you think I made a bad argument. That is totally fine, but that isn't gaslighting. "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.” -Inigo Montoya, The Princess Bride
- zmgsabst 4y agoYes — accusing me of not using words right without addressing the substance is classic gaslighting, and responding with more gaslighting when called out about poor behavior is typical in gaslighters.
- billythemaniam 4y agoOh geez. I think you are conflating disagreement with gaslighting. The simplest definition is trying to make someone question their own reality, often for malevolent ends. A debate, what this actually is, is about trying to convince someone of your point of view not distort the other's reality. A debate certainly could be used to gaslight, but gaslighting is a set of behaviors. A debate alone is not gaslighting. Disagreement is not gaslighting. Trying to convince another of your point of view is not gaslighting. Using debate tactics like personal attacks and word definitions is not gaslighting. Painting a broad brush and casting everyone that disagrees with your position "gaslighting", like you did in your very first response, is also not gaslighting. It is lazy, wrong, annoying but still not gaslighting. At least none of those things are gaslighting in isolation. In other words, we disagree on the "facts". If you want to call that gaslighting, okay but then you are gaslighting me too (or trying). For the record, I don't think you are gaslighting. I do think I have offended you deeply which wasn't my intention so I apologize if I have.
- Bud 4y agoPlease do a few basic googles (like "mandatory vaccination history") before pretending to know what is "unprecedented in history". You have no idea what you are talking about. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/09/us/politics/vaccine-mandates-history.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/09/us/politics/vaccine-manda...
- zmgsabst 4y agoI explicitly pointed out the differences in the comment you’re replying to — related to the differences in consequences.