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Cheat to be a Navy seal? How? Are you talking about the off label viagra usage to pass hell week? Not that I am condoning the practice, but that is not cheating

by anu7df 4y ago

Cheat to be a Navy seal? How? Are you talking about the off label viagra usage to pass hell week? Not that I am condoning the practice, but that is not cheating in my books. Desparate yes, dangerous but war is more.

not-my-account 4y ago
Out of curiosity, how would viagra help anyone pass hell week?
- detaro 4y ago
  https://www.insider.com/navy-seals-use-viagra-prevent-fluid-build-up-lungs-swimming-2022-8 https://www.insider.com/navy-seals-use-viagra-prevent-fluid-...
- queuebert 4y ago
  It's the Navy ...
- landemva 4y ago
  Better blood flow increases physical performance.
- openknot 4y ago
  The recruits believe it's a treatment for a lung condition where you cough up blood during training. From the NYTimes article: "Many men were coughing up bloody fluid from a condition called swimming-induced pulmonary edema — a potentially life-threatening ailment that is so common among men training in the frigid water at BUD/S that SEALs refer to it casually by the acronym SIPE. "[...] Seaman Mullen showed up for his second attempt at BUD/S in January with fresh determination and a used car. But by the end of the second week, he was spitting up bloody fluid and struggling to breathe. "“I said, go to the hospital right away,” his mother recalled. “He said, ‘No, ma, if you want to go to the hospital, they will make you quit first. Besides, it’s just SIPE.’” "Ms. Mullen said her son, on the advice of other SEAL candidates, started secretly taking the erectile dysfunction drug Viagra, which was against Navy rules but used by SEALs as a potential treatment for SIPE. He recovered enough to keep training.""
xhkkffbf 4y ago
No. I think he means that people just lie about earning that distinction. Flat out lie. I don't think that the people actually do any of the hard stuff that makes the distinction worthy of esteem. They just want to brag.
tyre 4y ago
Heavy use of steroidso https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/30/us/navy-seal-training-death.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/30/us/navy-seal-training-dea...
- jnsie 4y ago
  Really interesting and disturbing read
- openknot 4y ago
  There was also an interesting discussion on the r/navyseals forum, frequented by applicants and veterans, which corroborates the steroid use (looks credible, with a pinch of salt as always because the comments are anonymous): https://www.reddit.com/r/navyseals/comments/x1hvaz/death_in_navy_seal_training_exposes_a_culture_of/ https://www.reddit.com/r/navyseals/comments/x1hvaz/death_in_... > "Sobering read. I really hope steroid use at BUDS isn't as big as this article purports it to be" >> "It’s pretty accurate, the instructors even make jokes about it “Your roid rage is showing sir”" >> "How could it not be, anabolics increase performance far outside the natural range and/or let you maintain what you could achieve naturally with far less effort. The effects can last well beyond when you stop taking them. You could take them from 18-21, keep training and join at 22 without testing positive but retaining a large (physical) advantage" It's also very plausible from the NYTimes's article alone, from the report that the instructors had stopped testing for steroids, so there was no enforcement mechanism to stop the behavior.
- 4gotunameagain 4y ago
  rofl : > “What am I going to do with guys like that in a place like Afghanistan?” said the leader. “A guy who can do 100 pull-ups but can’t make an ethical decision?” is joining the US military an ethical decision ? have the navy seals ever fought in US soil ?
  - openknot 4y ago
    Alternatively, through a very pragmatic lens: the interviewee is essentially saying that a military does not want unpredictable troops that violate rules of engagement, because it can cause a massive loss of public support among the citizenry and cause international pressure. This can force an end to the campaign before the military's objectives are reached.
hiq 4y ago
> Are you talking about the off label viagra usage to pass hell week? Not that I am condoning the practice, but that is not cheating in my books. That's officially forbidden by the rules of their training so it's cheating.

by anu7df 4y ago

not-my-account 4y ago

Out of curiosity, how would viagra help anyone pass hell week?

detaro 4y ago
https://www.insider.com/navy-seals-use-viagra-prevent-fluid-build-up-lungs-swimming-2022-8 https://www.insider.com/navy-seals-use-viagra-prevent-fluid-...
queuebert 4y ago
It's the Navy ...
landemva 4y ago
Better blood flow increases physical performance.
openknot 4y ago
The recruits believe it's a treatment for a lung condition where you cough up blood during training. From the NYTimes article: "Many men were coughing up bloody fluid from a condition called swimming-induced pulmonary edema — a potentially life-threatening ailment that is so common among men training in the frigid water at BUD/S that SEALs refer to it casually by the acronym SIPE. "[...] Seaman Mullen showed up for his second attempt at BUD/S in January with fresh determination and a used car. But by the end of the second week, he was spitting up bloody fluid and struggling to breathe. "“I said, go to the hospital right away,” his mother recalled. “He said, ‘No, ma, if you want to go to the hospital, they will make you quit first. Besides, it’s just SIPE.’” "Ms. Mullen said her son, on the advice of other SEAL candidates, started secretly taking the erectile dysfunction drug Viagra, which was against Navy rules but used by SEALs as a potential treatment for SIPE. He recovered enough to keep training.""

xhkkffbf 4y ago

No. I think he means that people just lie about earning that distinction. Flat out lie. I don't think that the people actually do any of the hard stuff that makes the distinction worthy of esteem. They just want to brag.

tyre 4y ago

Heavy use of steroidso https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/30/us/navy-seal-training-death.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/30/us/navy-seal-training-dea...

jnsie 4y ago
Really interesting and disturbing read
openknot 4y ago
There was also an interesting discussion on the r/navyseals forum, frequented by applicants and veterans, which corroborates the steroid use (looks credible, with a pinch of salt as always because the comments are anonymous): https://www.reddit.com/r/navyseals/comments/x1hvaz/death_in_navy_seal_training_exposes_a_culture_of/ https://www.reddit.com/r/navyseals/comments/x1hvaz/death_in_... > "Sobering read. I really hope steroid use at BUDS isn't as big as this article purports it to be" >> "It’s pretty accurate, the instructors even make jokes about it “Your roid rage is showing sir”" >> "How could it not be, anabolics increase performance far outside the natural range and/or let you maintain what you could achieve naturally with far less effort. The effects can last well beyond when you stop taking them. You could take them from 18-21, keep training and join at 22 without testing positive but retaining a large (physical) advantage" It's also very plausible from the NYTimes's article alone, from the report that the instructors had stopped testing for steroids, so there was no enforcement mechanism to stop the behavior.
4gotunameagain 4y ago
rofl : > “What am I going to do with guys like that in a place like Afghanistan?” said the leader. “A guy who can do 100 pull-ups but can’t make an ethical decision?” is joining the US military an ethical decision ? have the navy seals ever fought in US soil ?
- openknot 4y ago
  Alternatively, through a very pragmatic lens: the interviewee is essentially saying that a military does not want unpredictable troops that violate rules of engagement, because it can cause a massive loss of public support among the citizenry and cause international pressure. This can force an end to the campaign before the military's objectives are reached.

hiq 4y ago

> Are you talking about the off label viagra usage to pass hell week? Not that I am condoning the practice, but that is not cheating in my books. That's officially forbidden by the rules of their training so it's cheating.