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As a clutch enthusiast, I would welcome this innovation if it actually improved EV motor performance. If its only purpose is to simulate the ICE experience, I'm

As a clutch enthusiast, I would welcome this innovation if it actually improved EV motor performance. If its only purpose is to simulate the ICE experience, I'm not interested.

culopatin 4y ago
The only thing the clutch is good for is to get the tires loose with a clutch kick or to detach the engine drag from the wheels if one so desired.
- spookthesunset 4y ago
  Wouldn’t a motor be able to chirp the tires all by itself? Dunno how much drag the motor would create if allowed to spin freely…
  - Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
    A clutch-kick can dump more torque into the wheels than the motor could possibly produce. Though a clutch-kick in an ICE operates based on the inertia of the rotating engine. I wonder how much inertia an electric motor has and if a clutch-kick would even be as effective. What they really need is a hydraulic parking brake lever. Being able to lock the rear tires is a necessity for drifting situations when you want to increase angle while also scrubbing speed.
  - culopatin 4y ago
    You need a peak in torque on the wheels usually. Some can depending on how much power they make.
- manual89 4y ago
  Yep, I'd be interested in this psuedo-manual only if it simulated this aspect of the ICE original.
projektfu 4y ago
Based on my experience with the Volt, which already needed traction control to keep the tires from spinning, it probably will offer slighlty different driving modes. Torquey, smooth, low-rev/low-heat highway mode.
- smileysteve 4y ago
  There are multiple types of electronic traction control, active brakes and active power; in a high torque situation, active power manipulation is required. Electronic throttle has allowed better ramping of ice motors since the early 2000s. In high power sports cars it was bettered to be called launch control. There's little downside to active power control unless you want the effect of not having it. Side note to locking and viscous differentials (and for automatic transmissions, the "slushbox" torque converter), which have been providing passive traction control in cars for 70 years.

As a clutch enthusiast, I would welcome this innovation if it actually improved EV motor performance. If its only purpose is to simulate the ICE experience, I'm not interested.

culopatin 4y ago

The only thing the clutch is good for is to get the tires loose with a clutch kick or to detach the engine drag from the wheels if one so desired.

spookthesunset 4y ago
Wouldn’t a motor be able to chirp the tires all by itself? Dunno how much drag the motor would create if allowed to spin freely…
- Sohcahtoa82 4y ago
  A clutch-kick can dump more torque into the wheels than the motor could possibly produce. Though a clutch-kick in an ICE operates based on the inertia of the rotating engine. I wonder how much inertia an electric motor has and if a clutch-kick would even be as effective. What they really need is a hydraulic parking brake lever. Being able to lock the rear tires is a necessity for drifting situations when you want to increase angle while also scrubbing speed.
- culopatin 4y ago
  You need a peak in torque on the wheels usually. Some can depending on how much power they make.
manual89 4y ago
Yep, I'd be interested in this psuedo-manual only if it simulated this aspect of the ICE original.

projektfu 4y ago

Based on my experience with the Volt, which already needed traction control to keep the tires from spinning, it probably will offer slighlty different driving modes. Torquey, smooth, low-rev/low-heat highway mode.

smileysteve 4y ago
There are multiple types of electronic traction control, active brakes and active power; in a high torque situation, active power manipulation is required. Electronic throttle has allowed better ramping of ice motors since the early 2000s. In high power sports cars it was bettered to be called launch control. There's little downside to active power control unless you want the effect of not having it. Side note to locking and viscous differentials (and for automatic transmissions, the "slushbox" torque converter), which have been providing passive traction control in cars for 70 years.