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The feeling of controlling a machine = "imperfections" What I would expect a machine to say. I, for one, do not welcome our new robot overlords.

SilverBirch 4y ago
It's not about control. Transmissions in cars existed because internal combustion engines have a torque curve - the amount of torque you can get out of an engine varies with the engine speed, and so in order to maximize the torque at any given road speed you need to match the current road speed with the engine speed that produces peak torque. Now, there were different ways of doing this - manual transmissions vs semi-auto vs fully-auto and they did genuinely have pros and cons. For an ICE car there is genuinely a trade-off of how much control you have over the transmission. BUT that's entirely untrue of electric cars, electric motors produce maximum torque at 0 engine speed and eventually drop at high speed. So there's simply no reason to be using a transmission at all. There is no decision to be made about gearing, you either have enough torque or you don't.
- flyingfences 4y ago
  It is about the feeling of control now. The reason people who still choose manuals do so isn't because of the torque curves -- automatics are now better at handling that -- it's because they like the feeling.
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  - bryanlarsen 4y ago
    When you're used to a manual, an automatic feels mushy. An EV is directly coupled, so adding a manual transmission makes it more must, rather than less.
    - LorenPechtel 4y ago
      Disagree--I used to have that objection with automatics, but the modern ones are good enough I no longer feel that way. Never have I felt my Corolla made the wrong choice about gears.
      - bryanlarsen 4y ago
        It's the lag on the accelerator pedal that I think of when I think of mush.
        LorenPechtel 4y ago
        That's what I was thinking of, also--and I don't see it in my Corolla. It's always at least as good as the manual I drove before. It's got two downshifts rather than a paddle shifter, but since I discovered the cruise control does a better job than downshifting I haven't used them at all. The only case the cruise control doesn't handle is that for some reason it drops out at 28mph--I'm guessing it's a limit in the adaptive tracking. Thus you can't use cruise control to hold it to 25 mph going downhill.
  - Kaibeezy 4y ago
    It's because I want to choose. Even your fancy Doppelkupplungsgetriebe (in auto mode) doesn't know or care what I want to do.
spookthesunset 4y ago
I mean an EV will have a different feeling. No need to attempt to simulate legacy stuff. Learn to work with the new stuff. The interesting thing is with an EV you can customize the crap out of how the thing feels. You can (theoretically) tweak all the rates used by the controls to make it feel any way you want.

SilverBirch 4y ago

It's not about control. Transmissions in cars existed because internal combustion engines have a torque curve - the amount of torque you can get out of an engine varies with the engine speed, and so in order to maximize the torque at any given road speed you need to match the current road speed with the engine speed that produces peak torque. Now, there were different ways of doing this - manual transmissions vs semi-auto vs fully-auto and they did genuinely have pros and cons. For an ICE car there is genuinely a trade-off of how much control you have over the transmission. BUT that's entirely untrue of electric cars, electric motors produce maximum torque at 0 engine speed and eventually drop at high speed. So there's simply no reason to be using a transmission at all. There is no decision to be made about gearing, you either have enough torque or you don't.

flyingfences 4y ago
It is about the feeling of control now. The reason people who still choose manuals do so isn't because of the torque curves -- automatics are now better at handling that -- it's because they like the feeling.
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- bryanlarsen 4y ago
  When you're used to a manual, an automatic feels mushy. An EV is directly coupled, so adding a manual transmission makes it more must, rather than less.
  - LorenPechtel 4y ago
    Disagree--I used to have that objection with automatics, but the modern ones are good enough I no longer feel that way. Never have I felt my Corolla made the wrong choice about gears.
    - bryanlarsen 4y ago
      It's the lag on the accelerator pedal that I think of when I think of mush.
      - LorenPechtel 4y ago
        That's what I was thinking of, also--and I don't see it in my Corolla. It's always at least as good as the manual I drove before. It's got two downshifts rather than a paddle shifter, but since I discovered the cruise control does a better job than downshifting I haven't used them at all. The only case the cruise control doesn't handle is that for some reason it drops out at 28mph--I'm guessing it's a limit in the adaptive tracking. Thus you can't use cruise control to hold it to 25 mph going downhill.
- Kaibeezy 4y ago
  It's because I want to choose. Even your fancy Doppelkupplungsgetriebe (in auto mode) doesn't know or care what I want to do.

spookthesunset 4y ago

I mean an EV will have a different feeling. No need to attempt to simulate legacy stuff. Learn to work with the new stuff. The interesting thing is with an EV you can customize the crap out of how the thing feels. You can (theoretically) tweak all the rates used by the controls to make it feel any way you want.