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It's not the speech that people are objecting to, it's the part where they get people killed.

by sp332 4y ago

squabbles 4y ago
- polio 4y ago
  Doxxing to facilitate swatting is attempted murder. They aren't unearthing this information because they're devoted archivists; they operate within a broader culture of harassment, and when one considers the modern arsenal of digital harassment that's enabled via doxxing, the SWAT team is front and center.
- tchaffee 4y ago
- sp332 4y ago
  It's not that members don't take credit for it, it's that the mods lock and delete threads when they do. E.g. https://mobile.twitter.com/achungus1235/status/1561787513819250694 https://mobile.twitter.com/achungus1235/status/1561787513819...
- Zamaamiro 4y ago
  - squabbles 4y ago
    The only person who has claimed KF lead to their supposed suicide is Near/byuu after he attempted to extort the site into removing his thread. But we know he didn't kill himself as he lives in Japan and the state department releases a report every six months about the deaths of Americans overseas. It's been over a year, there have been two reports, and neither had any suicides in Japan, and the Japanese government is no slouch when it comes to paperwork. The only evidence that was ever given was a picture of an urn with byuu's name on it posted by a friend living in Hong Kong. Nonetheless this has not stopped journalists from reporting it as fact so they can create via citeogenesis a bloody shirt to wave and justify campaigns against the KiwiFarms.
  - savryn 4y ago
pjc50 4y ago
.. by speech. The whole thing relies on the loose causality of stochastic terrorism. It's a bit like the Nuremberg trials "only gave orders" defense, except they're not even orders, just innuendo - it's just spreading smear material and a general attitude of hate among a fractious, isolated and angry audience. A makes the post. B makes a fake phone call to the police. Cop C arrives and pulls the trigger. All in different countries. Is A really free of the repercussions?
- sp332 4y ago
  Are you saying B is not a forum member? Because I'm pretty sure the people ordering pizza to targets are getting their info directly from the site.
  - pclmulqdq 4y ago
    "I'm pretty sure" isn't evidence. Actual evidence of harassment from members of kiwifarms seems to be missing in all of these discussions. There is no doubt that there was lots of doxxing and lots of mean words on the site, but I haven't seen any evidence of harassment campaigns or anything similar. The closest thing that there was to evidence is someone who called in a SWAT team on a Republican congressperson and said to the police, "I am a kiwifarms mod, please come investigate me." If that evidence existed, given the microscope this site was under, someone would have found it.
  - philippejara 4y ago
    that's actually false, if you're referring to keffals at least, the doxing of the second hotel where the whole ordering food happened was done by Vile on doxbin[0]. Furthermore there's a lot more places that get those doxes on the web, pretty much all i've learned from kiwifarms was in the last 3 days or so and I still know of half a dozen. [0]https://doxbin.org/upload/Keffals https://doxbin.org/upload/Keffals

It's not the speech that people are objecting to, it's the part where they get people killed.

by sp332 4y ago

It's not the speech that people are objecting to, it's the part where they get people killed.

squabbles 4y ago

polio 4y ago
Doxxing to facilitate swatting is attempted murder. They aren't unearthing this information because they're devoted archivists; they operate within a broader culture of harassment, and when one considers the modern arsenal of digital harassment that's enabled via doxxing, the SWAT team is front and center.
tchaffee 4y ago
sp332 4y ago
It's not that members don't take credit for it, it's that the mods lock and delete threads when they do. E.g. https://mobile.twitter.com/achungus1235/status/1561787513819250694 https://mobile.twitter.com/achungus1235/status/1561787513819...
Zamaamiro 4y ago
- squabbles 4y ago
  The only person who has claimed KF lead to their supposed suicide is Near/byuu after he attempted to extort the site into removing his thread. But we know he didn't kill himself as he lives in Japan and the state department releases a report every six months about the deaths of Americans overseas. It's been over a year, there have been two reports, and neither had any suicides in Japan, and the Japanese government is no slouch when it comes to paperwork. The only evidence that was ever given was a picture of an urn with byuu's name on it posted by a friend living in Hong Kong. Nonetheless this has not stopped journalists from reporting it as fact so they can create via citeogenesis a bloody shirt to wave and justify campaigns against the KiwiFarms.
- savryn 4y ago

pjc50 4y ago

.. by speech. The whole thing relies on the loose causality of stochastic terrorism. It's a bit like the Nuremberg trials "only gave orders" defense, except they're not even orders, just innuendo - it's just spreading smear material and a general attitude of hate among a fractious, isolated and angry audience. A makes the post. B makes a fake phone call to the police. Cop C arrives and pulls the trigger. All in different countries. Is A really free of the repercussions?

sp332 4y ago
Are you saying B is not a forum member? Because I'm pretty sure the people ordering pizza to targets are getting their info directly from the site.
- pclmulqdq 4y ago
  "I'm pretty sure" isn't evidence. Actual evidence of harassment from members of kiwifarms seems to be missing in all of these discussions. There is no doubt that there was lots of doxxing and lots of mean words on the site, but I haven't seen any evidence of harassment campaigns or anything similar. The closest thing that there was to evidence is someone who called in a SWAT team on a Republican congressperson and said to the police, "I am a kiwifarms mod, please come investigate me." If that evidence existed, given the microscope this site was under, someone would have found it.
- philippejara 4y ago
  that's actually false, if you're referring to keffals at least, the doxing of the second hotel where the whole ordering food happened was done by Vile on doxbin[0]. Furthermore there's a lot more places that get those doxes on the web, pretty much all i've learned from kiwifarms was in the last 3 days or so and I still know of half a dozen. [0]https://doxbin.org/upload/Keffals https://doxbin.org/upload/Keffals