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Maybe? The efforts being proposed to drive down emissions will have terribly harmful consequences on the poorest, and if the IPCC is wrong or even "just" exagge

Maybe? The efforts being proposed to drive down emissions will have terribly harmful consequences on the poorest, and if the IPCC is wrong or even "just" exaggerating then the harms can easily outweigh the benefits. I'd like to see us reduce dependency on fossil fuels simply because they're finite, but I also think the best way to do that is let the private sector get on with it in response to supply/demand signals. Trying to go beyond that involves massive state intervention and, historically, this has often gone terribly wrong. Especially so when motivated by science that turns out to be unreliable. Trofim Lysenko is the classic example but lobotomy is another. Point is, that there's quite a lot of evidence that the narratives around climate change aren't just exaggerated but wildly exaggerated, and that all kinds of bad behaviors are being deployed to hide this fact. Climategate made that unambiguous because we can actually read emails where they're conspiring behind the scenes to cheat the scientific process, but there's lots of other examples of this happening that aren't from those emails. If they do it a few times and get away with it even when all their emails are leaked, why wouldn't they keep doing it? And why would we assume it was just one offs? Seems more likely to be a pattern of behavior and, again, we do see a heck of a lot of smoke when outsiders examine the (claimed to be) science.

wizofaus 4y ago
"The efforts being proposed to drive down emissions will have terribly harmful consequences on the poorest" What on earth makes you think that? Renewable energy sources and our ability to manufacture them cheaply and at scale are arguably of the most benefit to poorer countries. Honestly the only people I can see "suffering" from a genuine attempt to reduce our emissions are those of us currently accustomed to a lifestyle that's largely dependent on high levels of such emissions. I certainly don't want to have to give up regular overseas travel...but it's a luxury and there are other ways to get the most out of life while maintaining a less extravagant personal footprint.

wizofaus 4y ago

"The efforts being proposed to drive down emissions will have terribly harmful consequences on the poorest" What on earth makes you think that? Renewable energy sources and our ability to manufacture them cheaply and at scale are arguably of the most benefit to poorer countries. Honestly the only people I can see "suffering" from a genuine attempt to reduce our emissions are those of us currently accustomed to a lifestyle that's largely dependent on high levels of such emissions. I certainly don't want to have to give up regular overseas travel...but it's a luxury and there are other ways to get the most out of life while maintaining a less extravagant personal footprint.