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I, personally, have seen much worse on 4chan than I have on Kiwifarms. If I read the Cloudflare blog post and didn't know which site it was referring to I would

I, personally, have seen much worse on 4chan than I have on Kiwifarms. If I read the Cloudflare blog post and didn't know which site it was referring to I would have put 95% of my money on it being 4chan over Kiwifarms. I am not an omnipotent arbiter of what is bad or worse, this is my own subjective opinion. I just haven't seen anything on Kiwifarms that would call for such a response. It made it seem like we were hours away from people dying. I guess as an example though: > they rapidly take down any CSAM I haven't seen that posted to Kiwifarms in the first place, regardless if 4chan has a quick response.

thinkingemote 4y ago
I've read that 4chan works proactively with law enforcement, regularly notifying them as soon as possible. They don't have a "wait for a warrant" policy that neutral providers claim, they will eagerly submit and support LEOs. This might be why it has survived so long. The common idea about the forum is that there is no moderation, but the truth is that the moderation is invisible. (The content is beyond the pale, and I don't support it which used to be needless to say)
- flumpcakes 4y ago
  I think they probably do. There is another comment below saying the owner/moderator/whatever of Kiwifarms also works with "law enforcement organisations" on anything illegal on the site. Mass murderers have live-streamed their rampages on Facebook. I'm sure Facebook also work with police. Other than the horrible nasty comments (which I've seen much worse on Facebook/Twitter/YouTube/social media in greater numbers) I don't see what's so special about Kiwifarms.
  - prvit 4y ago
    Most sites would delete your posts if you post someones SSN and credit report. Yet, I can easily find such posts going back years on Kiwifarms For example: http://uquusqsaaad66cvub4473csdu4uu7ahxou3zqc35fpw5d4ificedzyqd.onion/threads/corey-ray-barnhill-august-heart-lulz-xyrix-ruxpin-zoom-internet-godspeed.46297/post-4640468 http://uquusqsaaad66cvub4473csdu4uu7ahxou3zqc35fpw5d4ificedz...
    - flumpcakes 4y ago
      I think this is obviously bad. I believe in Europe is just flatly illegal under GDPR? I would expect this to be illegal everywhere (if it was private information like medical records etc.) but I'm not a lawyer.
  - cygx 4y ago
    There is another comment below saying the owner/moderator/whatever of Kiwifarms also works with "law enforcement organisations" on anything illegal on the site. Not ones from New Zealand, though: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christchurch-mosque-shootings-website-kiwi-farms-refuses-to-surrender-data-linked-to-accused/YYMW2OF5GE3C7EYAMJAPSDANKI/ https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christchurch-mosque-shootings-...
    - flumpcakes 4y ago
      Yeah, the guy comes across as a massive [expletive] in that article. It reminds me of the piratebay "F U" emails from decades ago. It seems to me that a lot of Americans or American Companies (and Swedish pirates) ignore other countries' jurisdiction. Edit: just reading into this and New Zealand apparently wanted to take legal action (up to ten years in prison) against any New Zealand citizen who simply watched the video on Kiwifarms forums? That's astonishing.
      - DuskStar 4y ago
        > New Zealand apparently wanted to take legal action (up to ten years in prison) against any New Zealand citizen who simply watched the video on Kiwifarms forums? Sounds like the owner was right to say "go fuck yourself" then.
      - viridian 4y ago
        This is how I (and I'm sure many others) first heard about kiwifarms, the NZ govt threatening to arrest citizens for even watching footage of the shooting. I was running a little warrant canary meta-service at the time (since the EFF let theirs lapse) and asked Josh Moon if I could implement theirs as a part of my service. Never got a response from him, or it got caught in spam. Heard about them again when they hosted the twitch source code and revenue leaks, and now a third time with all of the cloudfront stuff. Hosting content like this is always a big gamble, I'm sure Moon knew this was always a possibility.
    - richbell 4y ago
      > Not ones from New Zealand, though: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christchurch-mosque-shootings-website-kiwi-farms-refuses-to-surrender-data-linked-to-accused/YYMW2OF5GE3C7EYAMJAPSDANKI/ https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christchurch-mosque-shootings-... While his reply was incredibly edgy and immature, I'm don't think this is a compelling example. The NZ police wanted information on people discussing the shooting after it had already occurred.
delfinom 4y ago
Yep, I was curious recently and opened KF and 4chan boards. KF is rather tame meanwhile the first page of /pol/ on 4chan was like walking into a KKK convention complete with the hoods and seeing the Third Reich in attendance at their own booth.

thinkingemote 4y ago

I've read that 4chan works proactively with law enforcement, regularly notifying them as soon as possible. They don't have a "wait for a warrant" policy that neutral providers claim, they will eagerly submit and support LEOs. This might be why it has survived so long. The common idea about the forum is that there is no moderation, but the truth is that the moderation is invisible. (The content is beyond the pale, and I don't support it which used to be needless to say)

flumpcakes 4y ago
I think they probably do. There is another comment below saying the owner/moderator/whatever of Kiwifarms also works with "law enforcement organisations" on anything illegal on the site. Mass murderers have live-streamed their rampages on Facebook. I'm sure Facebook also work with police. Other than the horrible nasty comments (which I've seen much worse on Facebook/Twitter/YouTube/social media in greater numbers) I don't see what's so special about Kiwifarms.
- prvit 4y ago
  Most sites would delete your posts if you post someones SSN and credit report. Yet, I can easily find such posts going back years on Kiwifarms For example: http://uquusqsaaad66cvub4473csdu4uu7ahxou3zqc35fpw5d4ificedzyqd.onion/threads/corey-ray-barnhill-august-heart-lulz-xyrix-ruxpin-zoom-internet-godspeed.46297/post-4640468 http://uquusqsaaad66cvub4473csdu4uu7ahxou3zqc35fpw5d4ificedz...
  - flumpcakes 4y ago
    I think this is obviously bad. I believe in Europe is just flatly illegal under GDPR? I would expect this to be illegal everywhere (if it was private information like medical records etc.) but I'm not a lawyer.
- cygx 4y ago
  There is another comment below saying the owner/moderator/whatever of Kiwifarms also works with "law enforcement organisations" on anything illegal on the site. Not ones from New Zealand, though: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christchurch-mosque-shootings-website-kiwi-farms-refuses-to-surrender-data-linked-to-accused/YYMW2OF5GE3C7EYAMJAPSDANKI/ https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christchurch-mosque-shootings-...
  - flumpcakes 4y ago
    Yeah, the guy comes across as a massive [expletive] in that article. It reminds me of the piratebay "F U" emails from decades ago. It seems to me that a lot of Americans or American Companies (and Swedish pirates) ignore other countries' jurisdiction. Edit: just reading into this and New Zealand apparently wanted to take legal action (up to ten years in prison) against any New Zealand citizen who simply watched the video on Kiwifarms forums? That's astonishing.
    - DuskStar 4y ago
      > New Zealand apparently wanted to take legal action (up to ten years in prison) against any New Zealand citizen who simply watched the video on Kiwifarms forums? Sounds like the owner was right to say "go fuck yourself" then.
    - viridian 4y ago
      This is how I (and I'm sure many others) first heard about kiwifarms, the NZ govt threatening to arrest citizens for even watching footage of the shooting. I was running a little warrant canary meta-service at the time (since the EFF let theirs lapse) and asked Josh Moon if I could implement theirs as a part of my service. Never got a response from him, or it got caught in spam. Heard about them again when they hosted the twitch source code and revenue leaks, and now a third time with all of the cloudfront stuff. Hosting content like this is always a big gamble, I'm sure Moon knew this was always a possibility.
  - richbell 4y ago
    > Not ones from New Zealand, though: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christchurch-mosque-shootings-website-kiwi-farms-refuses-to-surrender-data-linked-to-accused/YYMW2OF5GE3C7EYAMJAPSDANKI/ https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/christchurch-mosque-shootings-... While his reply was incredibly edgy and immature, I'm don't think this is a compelling example. The NZ police wanted information on people discussing the shooting after it had already occurred.

delfinom 4y ago

Yep, I was curious recently and opened KF and 4chan boards. KF is rather tame meanwhile the first page of /pol/ on 4chan was like walking into a KKK convention complete with the hoods and seeing the Third Reich in attendance at their own booth.