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Universities or government institutions (including Army) did not allow working or studying without a vaccine. This is forcing. Also numbers are out there. It i

Universities or government institutions (including Army) did not allow working or studying without a vaccine. This is forcing. Also numbers are out there. It is laughable people comes with "alternative was dying" argument for young people.

ceejayoz 4y ago
Joining the army and complaining you’re being forced to do something seems… odd.
- jonnycomputer 4y ago
  Fair, re military. But at my government job as a programmer at a university I was "forced" to vaccinate as well (unless I wanted to change jobs). I didn't mind, personally. But the descriptor of "forced" is pretty accurate. And not just jobs. Heck, I went to a concert and had to prove vaccination status. I think that requiring vaccination was justified at the height of the pandemic. It is unfortunate that the vaccines were not more neutralizing/preventing. I've had three doses and got the virus twice. I ended up being okay; my unvaccinated brother-in-law very much not okay. Like most people do, I have relatives who either died or were severely disabled by covid.
  - oceanplexian 4y ago
    Concerts? People were arrested by the police in NYC because they dared to walk into an Applebees and order food without showing a smartphone QR code that demonstrated they had multiple vaccinations for a disease that is readily spread by vaccinated people. It wasn’t based on science and people trying to use science as a shield for their actions should have been held accountable.
    - ceejayoz 4y ago
      No, they were arrested for trespassing when they refused to leave. The same happens if you refuse to wear a shirt to Applebees and won't take "no" for an answer.
- spamuel 4y ago
  You're allowed to complain in the military. There are extensive internal bureaucracies just to accommodate complaints. EO, SHARP/SAPR, IG, command climate surveys, congressional inquiries, open door policies (mandatory), sensing sessions, requesting mast... there is quite a lot of mechanism for complaint and due process in the military.
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    > there is quite a lot of mechanism for complaint and due process in the military. Sure, and sometimes that due process ends at "do it". That's been the case for vaccinations for quite a few decades, and hasn't historically been much of an issue for folks.
    - core-utility 4y ago
      The military has had an exemption process for vaccines since long before COVID.
      - ceejayoz 4y ago
        Yes, and if you were fine with the ~20 or so you get at basic, but suddenly decided you don't like vaccines with COVID, you're not getting one. https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/17/politics/us-military-religious-exemptions-covid-vaccine/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/17/politics/us-military-religiou... > The US military has approved religious exemptions to its Covid-19 vaccine mandate for 15 service members out of approximately 16,000 requests, according to the latest data from the services.
        core-utility 4y ago
        That wasn't the comment though. The comment was "That's [do it] been the case for vaccinations for quite a few decades" I'm saying that there has been an exemption process for vaccinations.
- Rury 4y ago
  Why is that? If you were forced to join against your will, as in a draft, or in some nations where it's required, doesn't seem that odd to complain about it.

ceejayoz 4y ago

Joining the army and complaining you’re being forced to do something seems… odd.

jonnycomputer 4y ago
Fair, re military. But at my government job as a programmer at a university I was "forced" to vaccinate as well (unless I wanted to change jobs). I didn't mind, personally. But the descriptor of "forced" is pretty accurate. And not just jobs. Heck, I went to a concert and had to prove vaccination status. I think that requiring vaccination was justified at the height of the pandemic. It is unfortunate that the vaccines were not more neutralizing/preventing. I've had three doses and got the virus twice. I ended up being okay; my unvaccinated brother-in-law very much not okay. Like most people do, I have relatives who either died or were severely disabled by covid.
- oceanplexian 4y ago
  Concerts? People were arrested by the police in NYC because they dared to walk into an Applebees and order food without showing a smartphone QR code that demonstrated they had multiple vaccinations for a disease that is readily spread by vaccinated people. It wasn’t based on science and people trying to use science as a shield for their actions should have been held accountable.
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    No, they were arrested for trespassing when they refused to leave. The same happens if you refuse to wear a shirt to Applebees and won't take "no" for an answer.
spamuel 4y ago
You're allowed to complain in the military. There are extensive internal bureaucracies just to accommodate complaints. EO, SHARP/SAPR, IG, command climate surveys, congressional inquiries, open door policies (mandatory), sensing sessions, requesting mast... there is quite a lot of mechanism for complaint and due process in the military.
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  > there is quite a lot of mechanism for complaint and due process in the military. Sure, and sometimes that due process ends at "do it". That's been the case for vaccinations for quite a few decades, and hasn't historically been much of an issue for folks.
  - core-utility 4y ago
    The military has had an exemption process for vaccines since long before COVID.
    - ceejayoz 4y ago
      Yes, and if you were fine with the ~20 or so you get at basic, but suddenly decided you don't like vaccines with COVID, you're not getting one. https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/17/politics/us-military-religious-exemptions-covid-vaccine/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/17/politics/us-military-religiou... > The US military has approved religious exemptions to its Covid-19 vaccine mandate for 15 service members out of approximately 16,000 requests, according to the latest data from the services.
      - core-utility 4y ago
        That wasn't the comment though. The comment was "That's [do it] been the case for vaccinations for quite a few decades" I'm saying that there has been an exemption process for vaccinations.
Rury 4y ago
Why is that? If you were forced to join against your will, as in a draft, or in some nations where it's required, doesn't seem that odd to complain about it.