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I’m shocked at the number of people paying EV prices. The Model Y is just about the only EV SUV that you can go out and buy right now, and it starts at $68k. T

I’m shocked at the number of people paying EV prices. The Model Y is just about the only EV SUV that you can go out and buy right now, and it starts at $68k. The math does not support this price premium. You will not save money. This is before considering that it will cost several thousand to have a charger installed, and to say nothing of the other drawbacks of EV ownership. My prediction is that EV penetration will plateau pretty quickly. There are no short term plans to turn NYC into an EV friendly city.

koheripbal 4y ago
Ownership also doesn't make economic sense. Battery replacement after 10-15 years negates any gas savings in that period. People are just buying the fad. They think they are being green but most that charging power still comes from gas/oil power plants.
- ZeroGravitas 4y ago
  > They think they are being green but most that charging power still comes from gas/oil power plants. They would still be green if that was the case, though generally it's not, see state by state worked examples here: https://evtool.ucsusa.org/ https://evtool.ucsusa.org/
- rcMgD2BwE72F 4y ago
  >Battery replacement after 10-15 years negates any gas savings in that period. Bullshit. https://www.geotab.com/fleet-management-solutions/ev-battery-degradation-tool/ https://www.geotab.com/fleet-management-solutions/ev-battery... And these are for 10-year old EV. Battery packs made today won't have to be replace after 15 years, and they'll certainly be used as stationary storage past their time on wheels. More importantly, most EV will switch to LFP chemistry (already more than half Tesla's vehicles production), which degrades even less. Other sources: - https://www.tesla.com/ns_videos/2021-tesla-impact-report.pdf https://www.tesla.com/ns_videos/2021-tesla-impact-report.pdf (p. 67) for Tesla S/X fleet wide results. - https://electrek.co/2018/04/14/tesla-battery-degradation-data/ https://electrek.co/2018/04/14/tesla-battery-degradation-dat...
- jgilias 4y ago
  Where I live most electricity comes from hydro and wind. The main reason I got an EV though was not striving to be green. It's just so much nicer to drive. I also like how I can pretty much neglect the running costs. Like, how much I drive has negligible impact on my monthly budget.

koheripbal 4y ago

Ownership also doesn't make economic sense. Battery replacement after 10-15 years negates any gas savings in that period. People are just buying the fad. They think they are being green but most that charging power still comes from gas/oil power plants.

ZeroGravitas 4y ago
> They think they are being green but most that charging power still comes from gas/oil power plants. They would still be green if that was the case, though generally it's not, see state by state worked examples here: https://evtool.ucsusa.org/ https://evtool.ucsusa.org/
rcMgD2BwE72F 4y ago
>Battery replacement after 10-15 years negates any gas savings in that period. Bullshit. https://www.geotab.com/fleet-management-solutions/ev-battery-degradation-tool/ https://www.geotab.com/fleet-management-solutions/ev-battery... And these are for 10-year old EV. Battery packs made today won't have to be replace after 15 years, and they'll certainly be used as stationary storage past their time on wheels. More importantly, most EV will switch to LFP chemistry (already more than half Tesla's vehicles production), which degrades even less. Other sources: - https://www.tesla.com/ns_videos/2021-tesla-impact-report.pdf https://www.tesla.com/ns_videos/2021-tesla-impact-report.pdf (p. 67) for Tesla S/X fleet wide results. - https://electrek.co/2018/04/14/tesla-battery-degradation-data/ https://electrek.co/2018/04/14/tesla-battery-degradation-dat...
jgilias 4y ago
Where I live most electricity comes from hydro and wind. The main reason I got an EV though was not striving to be green. It's just so much nicer to drive. I also like how I can pretty much neglect the running costs. Like, how much I drive has negligible impact on my monthly budget.