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And you have just lost a bunch of money! Assuming your router uses about 10 watts, that's 86kWh per router, per year. 30m routers makes this 2 580 000 000 kWh.

And you have just lost a bunch of money! Assuming your router uses about 10 watts, that's 86kWh per router, per year. 30m routers makes this 2 580 000 000 kWh. At a current, extremely awful 116g CO2/kWh in France, that's 299 280 tonnes of CO2 per year. A single private jet is 2 tons of CO2 per hour, so your 270 private jets only need to fly 554 hours per year to be just as bad. The current average is 448 hours per year. So, yeah, private jets currently emit 80% as much CO2 per year as 30m routers running 24/7. Unless you recommend we only use wifi for 3 hours a day, getting rid of these private jets will be more productive. Additionally, those routers actually serve a use, unlike private jets. Between universal access to the Internet to millions, and a few thousands doing lines of cocaine at 30000 feet to go to their villa in Corsica, I think I know which one is more useful. And finally, it's a matter of perceived justice. And believe me, being told to turn off your wifi while a rich dickwad can fly to Acapulco for three hours tends to make people slightly angry, not willing to make sacrifices and with a tendency to commit extremely unlawful acts against such jets.

luckylion 4y ago
Private jets only average 448 hours a year? I'm surprised, I had imagined many of them to be either used a lot or rented out and not be grounded 95% of the year. Does that include "empty flights" to get the jet to the location of the passenger? I guess we should also consider private turbo props (not really jets? but "private jets" is probably just short for "private plane" for all intents and purposes").
- bluesign 4y ago
  Actually 448 hours a year is pretty high in my opinion.
  - luckylion 4y ago
    I guess it depends on what you consider "private jets". One that's exclusively used by some CEO or their family, 448 hours feels like a lot, but I don't know their typical travel schedule. But for "private rentals" that you rent for a trip or something, I'd assume they get a lot more action than only being used 5% of the year. Where's flueber, the app to book private jets? It sounds incredibly wasteful to only rent something out 5% of the year. Is maintenance a large issue?
    - ohgodplsno 4y ago
      Take the private jets of 6 french billionaires. It is registered to their company. https://twitter.com/i_fly_Bernard/status/1565102112731693061 https://twitter.com/i_fly_Bernard/status/1565102112731693061 Francois Pinault flied it 26 hours in a single month, or 318 hours per year. And that's the jets from a billionaire who couldn't give a damn whether or not they're making money on this plane. It's just their personal taxi. Now, consider that private jet operators _have_ to rent to make money, and the average goes way up.
  - ohgodplsno 4y ago
    Good thing your opinions don't really matter when it comes to fighting climate change then! Jets that are registered to companies fly regularly (yes, Bernard Arnault doesn't have a Bernard Arnault jet, he has 3 LVMH jets). It's currently doing at the very least 2 hours of flying per day. A regular, commercial airplane flies over 3 000 hours per year.
bluesign 4y ago
I have no numbers to back this up, but intuitively I'd put my money on less than 448 hours per year average, do you have any source on this?
- ohgodplsno 4y ago
  First half of 2022 sees over 700 000 hours of flight from Part 135 jets (read: private jets). https://privatejetcardcomparisons.com/2022/08/03/argus-expects-private-jet-flying-to-stay-15-20-above-pre-covid-levels/ https://privatejetcardcomparisons.com/2022/08/03/argus-expec... My 448 hours comes from the Top 20 of private charter operators, with a relatively old source. The average went up as the amount of private jetting went way up (more than doubled) (https://privatejetcardcomparisons.com/2017/07/11/how-many-hours-a-year-do-private-jets-fly/ https://privatejetcardcomparisons.com/2017/07/11/how-many-ho...). Sure, take the 21 000 private jets in the world and say the average is only 60 if you'd like. The average isn't what matters. And hell, even with 60 average, that's 120 tons of CO2 per jet, per year. 25 people worth of yearly emissions, for a single plane. I promise you, there is nothing these planes do that it worth that.
  - bluesign 4y ago
    I think there is a huge difference between 60 and 448. We are not discussing it is worth or not. We are discussing "30m Wifi-Routers in France running a third of the year while nobody is home not having a larger impact than the 270 private jets being used." or not.

luckylion 4y ago

Private jets only average 448 hours a year? I'm surprised, I had imagined many of them to be either used a lot or rented out and not be grounded 95% of the year. Does that include "empty flights" to get the jet to the location of the passenger? I guess we should also consider private turbo props (not really jets? but "private jets" is probably just short for "private plane" for all intents and purposes").

bluesign 4y ago
Actually 448 hours a year is pretty high in my opinion.
- luckylion 4y ago
  I guess it depends on what you consider "private jets". One that's exclusively used by some CEO or their family, 448 hours feels like a lot, but I don't know their typical travel schedule. But for "private rentals" that you rent for a trip or something, I'd assume they get a lot more action than only being used 5% of the year. Where's flueber, the app to book private jets? It sounds incredibly wasteful to only rent something out 5% of the year. Is maintenance a large issue?
  - ohgodplsno 4y ago
    Take the private jets of 6 french billionaires. It is registered to their company. https://twitter.com/i_fly_Bernard/status/1565102112731693061 https://twitter.com/i_fly_Bernard/status/1565102112731693061 Francois Pinault flied it 26 hours in a single month, or 318 hours per year. And that's the jets from a billionaire who couldn't give a damn whether or not they're making money on this plane. It's just their personal taxi. Now, consider that private jet operators _have_ to rent to make money, and the average goes way up.
- ohgodplsno 4y ago
  Good thing your opinions don't really matter when it comes to fighting climate change then! Jets that are registered to companies fly regularly (yes, Bernard Arnault doesn't have a Bernard Arnault jet, he has 3 LVMH jets). It's currently doing at the very least 2 hours of flying per day. A regular, commercial airplane flies over 3 000 hours per year.

bluesign 4y ago

I have no numbers to back this up, but intuitively I'd put my money on less than 448 hours per year average, do you have any source on this?

ohgodplsno 4y ago
First half of 2022 sees over 700 000 hours of flight from Part 135 jets (read: private jets). https://privatejetcardcomparisons.com/2022/08/03/argus-expects-private-jet-flying-to-stay-15-20-above-pre-covid-levels/ https://privatejetcardcomparisons.com/2022/08/03/argus-expec... My 448 hours comes from the Top 20 of private charter operators, with a relatively old source. The average went up as the amount of private jetting went way up (more than doubled) (https://privatejetcardcomparisons.com/2017/07/11/how-many-hours-a-year-do-private-jets-fly/ https://privatejetcardcomparisons.com/2017/07/11/how-many-ho...). Sure, take the 21 000 private jets in the world and say the average is only 60 if you'd like. The average isn't what matters. And hell, even with 60 average, that's 120 tons of CO2 per jet, per year. 25 people worth of yearly emissions, for a single plane. I promise you, there is nothing these planes do that it worth that.
- bluesign 4y ago
  I think there is a huge difference between 60 and 448. We are not discussing it is worth or not. We are discussing "30m Wifi-Routers in France running a third of the year while nobody is home not having a larger impact than the 270 private jets being used." or not.