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> All together, here are some alternate email providers: - ProtonMail - FastMail - Mailbox Anyone uses or used to use Tutanota? That’s the only privacy-focu

by wzwy 4y ago

> *All together, here are some alternate email providers: - ProtonMail - FastMail - Mailbox* Anyone uses or used to use Tutanota? That’s the only privacy-focused email provider I know of aside from ProtonMail. And why is having a data center in Germany a selling point for some of these email providers?

inbx0 4y ago
I use Tutanota and it's... fine for my needs. The web app is ok but it'd be nice if there was something like Proton Mail Bridge [1] for Tutanota so I could use my own email client. I guess having data center inside EU could be a plus for EU citizens? 1: https://proton.me/mail/bridge https://proton.me/mail/bridge
Kovah 4y ago
> And why is having a data center in Germany a selling point for some of these email providers? The EU, and Germany especially, have strong privacy regulations and laws to protect their citizens. Having a datacenter in the EU does not mean that your data can't be accessed by authorities at all, but it's harder than in other countries. At least in Germany, a judge-signed request with a specific reason is needed to get data from any email provider. Mailbox even publishes a transparency report[1] with details about said requests: in 2021 they just received 65 requests, 15% were incorrect. 61 of those requests were just about the contact data of the account owner, not even emails or any other data stored. [1]: https://mailbox.org/en/post/transparency-report-2021 https://mailbox.org/en/post/transparency-report-2021
- stop50 4y ago
  The german provider posteo publishes every year anonymized requests and why they denied them.
- dns_snek 4y ago
  > The EU, and Germany especially, have strong privacy regulations and laws to protect their citizens. This could quickly be changing with proposed mass-surveillance "Chat control" legislation which would force all providers to scan the contents of all messages, emails and other communications. https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/messaging-and-chat-control/ https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/messaging-and-chat-co...
strboul 4y ago
There's also StartMail based in the Netherlands.

> *All together, here are some alternate email providers: - ProtonMail - FastMail - Mailbox* Anyone uses or used to use Tutanota? That’s the only privacy-focu

by wzwy 4y ago

inbx0 4y ago

I use Tutanota and it's... fine for my needs. The web app is ok but it'd be nice if there was something like Proton Mail Bridge [1] for Tutanota so I could use my own email client. I guess having data center inside EU could be a plus for EU citizens? 1: https://proton.me/mail/bridge https://proton.me/mail/bridge

Kovah 4y ago

> And why is having a data center in Germany a selling point for some of these email providers? The EU, and Germany especially, have strong privacy regulations and laws to protect their citizens. Having a datacenter in the EU does not mean that your data can't be accessed by authorities at all, but it's harder than in other countries. At least in Germany, a judge-signed request with a specific reason is needed to get data from any email provider. Mailbox even publishes a transparency report[1] with details about said requests: in 2021 they just received 65 requests, 15% were incorrect. 61 of those requests were just about the contact data of the account owner, not even emails or any other data stored. [1]: https://mailbox.org/en/post/transparency-report-2021 https://mailbox.org/en/post/transparency-report-2021

stop50 4y ago
The german provider posteo publishes every year anonymized requests and why they denied them.
dns_snek 4y ago
> The EU, and Germany especially, have strong privacy regulations and laws to protect their citizens. This could quickly be changing with proposed mass-surveillance "Chat control" legislation which would force all providers to scan the contents of all messages, emails and other communications. https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/messaging-and-chat-control/ https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/posts/messaging-and-chat-co...

strboul 4y ago

There's also StartMail based in the Netherlands.