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>> Unless they improve the recharge speed or dramatically improve thr power density That may be the doomsday scenario. Imagine we had a new battery tech today

>> Unless they improve the recharge speed or dramatically improve thr power density That may be the doomsday scenario. Imagine we had a new battery tech today that could cram 1000+miles into a car in say 5 minutes. EV sales would spike. ICEs would disappear. Then everyone would get their new EV home ... and the national electricity grid would collapse.

dixie_land 4y ago
speaking of doomsday, I can stock up on fuel with reasonable effort (storage tank, fuel stabilizer). But you can't easily build your own battery farm
- 1958325146 4y ago
  You can relatively easily install solar panels/batteries, and they even pay for themselves while we await doomsday.
- sephamorr 4y ago
  Interesting perspective. Another view: solar panels on your roof, using your car battery for your house nighttime needs means that during doomsday your energy intensive lifestyle doesn't have to change at all.
  - noirbot 4y ago
    Ah yes, the roof of my building where I'm on a middle floor. I'll start lobbying the board to install solar for just me to use. The problem with a lot of this is that the more "responsible" you're already living, the less reasonable the next "responsible" thing is to do. Going solar/off grid is only really possible if you live on a lot of land where you're the only resident, which is otherwise generally not recommended. If you live in dense housing, you probably don't have solar, let alone a way to charge an EV. I park my current car 100-500 feet from the nearest outlet that I own. There's essentially no world I could buy an EV and not have to charge it for hours outside of my home. The efficient future is here, but it's for the rich who did all the garbage NIMBY stuff that made it necessary for everyone else to have to live "efficiently" to make up for their gluttonous use of land/power over the past decades.
    - mechanical_bear 4y ago
      > if you live on a lot of land where you're the only resident, which is otherwise generally not recommended By whom? In my case, I am not the only resident, I have a large family on our acreage.
    - lostapathy 4y ago
      To reply to the GP’s point here … if you live in apartment you also aren’t stockpiling Jerry cans of gs, either.
      - katbyte 4y ago
        You sure can keep a couple on your vehicle
        lostapathy 4y ago
        A couple jerry cans in your vehicle is hardly a "stockpile." And also not a great idea.
        katbyte 4y ago
        It’s enough to get you 50-100% of your range. And it is a great idea on long trips or off-roading (and can sometimes be required)
  - sandworm101 4y ago
    It is dangerous to assume that everyone lives in a house with a roof, or that they are free to reconfigure thier home's electrical systems. I certainly cannot.
    - adgjlsfhk1 4y ago
      Well if you live in an apartment complex, I'm pretty sure storing large amounts of gasoline in your apartment isn't allowed either, so there's not a difference.
      - katbyte 4y ago
        I keep a jerry fan on the back of my truck in the parking garage.
        adgjlsfhk1 4y ago
        a what?
        katbyte 4y ago
        Jerry can*
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  - ZeroGravitas 4y ago
    Preppers are apparently really into adding solar panels to the top of golf carts these days.
elihu 4y ago
It's not like everyone who drives an EV recharges their full battery capacity every day. And besides, home charges are typically level-2 charging from a 220V outlet, and they charge overnight. DC fast charging in homes basically doesn't exist, because the expense of the electrical service you'd need to do that doesn't make sense unless you're putting the fast charger somewhere where it will be heavily used. Grid upgrades are a thing that's going to have to happen, but I think the concern is kind of overblown. It's not like everyone is going to switch to EVs at the same time, and over the course of a decade or two the utilities can use the increased revenue they're collecting to upgrade their infrastructure as needed. We're going to need more electricity production to offset the increased demand. Some of that might be offset by residential solar.

dixie_land 4y ago

speaking of doomsday, I can stock up on fuel with reasonable effort (storage tank, fuel stabilizer). But you can't easily build your own battery farm

1958325146 4y ago
You can relatively easily install solar panels/batteries, and they even pay for themselves while we await doomsday.
sephamorr 4y ago
Interesting perspective. Another view: solar panels on your roof, using your car battery for your house nighttime needs means that during doomsday your energy intensive lifestyle doesn't have to change at all.
- noirbot 4y ago
  Ah yes, the roof of my building where I'm on a middle floor. I'll start lobbying the board to install solar for just me to use. The problem with a lot of this is that the more "responsible" you're already living, the less reasonable the next "responsible" thing is to do. Going solar/off grid is only really possible if you live on a lot of land where you're the only resident, which is otherwise generally not recommended. If you live in dense housing, you probably don't have solar, let alone a way to charge an EV. I park my current car 100-500 feet from the nearest outlet that I own. There's essentially no world I could buy an EV and not have to charge it for hours outside of my home. The efficient future is here, but it's for the rich who did all the garbage NIMBY stuff that made it necessary for everyone else to have to live "efficiently" to make up for their gluttonous use of land/power over the past decades.
  - mechanical_bear 4y ago
    > if you live on a lot of land where you're the only resident, which is otherwise generally not recommended By whom? In my case, I am not the only resident, I have a large family on our acreage.
  - lostapathy 4y ago
    To reply to the GP’s point here … if you live in apartment you also aren’t stockpiling Jerry cans of gs, either.
    - katbyte 4y ago
      You sure can keep a couple on your vehicle
      - lostapathy 4y ago
        A couple jerry cans in your vehicle is hardly a "stockpile." And also not a great idea.
        katbyte 4y ago
        It’s enough to get you 50-100% of your range. And it is a great idea on long trips or off-roading (and can sometimes be required)
- sandworm101 4y ago
  It is dangerous to assume that everyone lives in a house with a roof, or that they are free to reconfigure thier home's electrical systems. I certainly cannot.
  - adgjlsfhk1 4y ago
    Well if you live in an apartment complex, I'm pretty sure storing large amounts of gasoline in your apartment isn't allowed either, so there's not a difference.
    - katbyte 4y ago
      I keep a jerry fan on the back of my truck in the parking garage.
      - adgjlsfhk1 4y ago
        a what?
        katbyte 4y ago
        Jerry can*
- deleted 4y ago
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- ZeroGravitas 4y ago
  Preppers are apparently really into adding solar panels to the top of golf carts these days.

elihu 4y ago

It's not like everyone who drives an EV recharges their full battery capacity every day. And besides, home charges are typically level-2 charging from a 220V outlet, and they charge overnight. DC fast charging in homes basically doesn't exist, because the expense of the electrical service you'd need to do that doesn't make sense unless you're putting the fast charger somewhere where it will be heavily used. Grid upgrades are a thing that's going to have to happen, but I think the concern is kind of overblown. It's not like everyone is going to switch to EVs at the same time, and over the course of a decade or two the utilities can use the increased revenue they're collecting to upgrade their infrastructure as needed. We're going to need more electricity production to offset the increased demand. Some of that might be offset by residential solar.