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Give me a decent un-networked EV and I’ll buy it immediately. Until then I’ll keep my ICE vehicle. Which will probably be until they’re eventually banned, becau
by AmericanChopper 4y ago
Give me a decent un-networked EV and I’ll buy it immediately. Until then I’ll keep my ICE vehicle. Which will probably be until they’re eventually banned, because I don’t think a decent un-networked EV is ever going to exist.
- josephcsible 4y agoIt's unfair to ask for an un-networked EV when basically nobody is even making un-networked ICE vehicles anymore.
- AmericanChopper 4y agoIt’s very simple to find a high quality ICE vehicle that is not substantially networked to remote services, or at least that you can easily disconnect. I brought a brand new one very recently, nobody is able to remotely control the vehicle, and the only surveillance instruments in the car are the ones I choose to carry around with me.
- elif 4y agoAny modern car can be remote controlled by plugging a device into the port used by comma.io If you're really worried about the agencies hijacking you to kill you, you're gonna need to buy vintage.
- RocketOne 4y agoNot kill. Control. Like Tesla deleting features that the original owner paid for. Like BMW charging a monthly fee to activate features already built into the car. Like UI updates that are automatic and make options worse but you can't stop the updates.
- AmericanChopper 4y agoBeing harmed is also a concern. I don’t own any other products where a software bug or compromised system has quite the same potential to physically harm me. But underlying that is the fact that there are no networked features that I personally want my car to have. So however small the risks (of both physical harm and being effected by bizarre networked car dark patterns), they are risks that I would be taking exclusively for the benefit of the manufacturer of the product for which I am supposedly the customer. As long as there is an acceptable alternative to such a product, I will always choose the alternative.
- natch 4y ago>Like Tesla deleting features that the original owner paid for. If you think this has happened, I believe you are mistaken. But I'm open to hearing evidence.
- josephcsible 4y agoWhat make and model?
- aembleton 4y agoDacia Sandero would tick that box. I don't think the Toyota Yaris is connected either.
- throwaway5959 4y agoIt’s going to be increasingly more difficult to find an un-networked vehicle period.
- rootusrootus 4y agoUn-networked? My wife's Bolt just has OnStar, which has nothing to do with it being an EV -- all GM vehicles have come with OnStar for years now. Pretty easy to disable it, too.
- hwillis 4y agoIs there something that makes the electric Volkswagens, Hyundais, Nissans, Chevys and Fords different from the conventional cars?
- kevin_thibedeau 4y agoGreed. More seriously, a natural obsolescence from dead battery packs that are BER.
- osigurdson 4y agoIs it not possible to take a Tesla off of the network by physically disconnecting something?
- cbo100 4y agoYou could just take the SIM card out and never connect it to wifi. Things like navigation can be done on-board (proven when in zero connectivity area), and playing MP3s from a USB can replace spotify. No idea what it might start complaining about long term though when it can't talk to the backend for extended periods.