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I suspect it would be even faster if there was a charging option for the many people in cities with their cars in shared garages, even one as simple as just hav

I suspect it would be even faster if there was a charging option for the many people in cities with their cars in shared garages, even one as simple as just having a lot of 240V outlets. It feels like something that's rather overlooked at the moment.

hn_throwaway_99 4y ago
Agreed, but I think this is likely going to be a "tipping point" type of change. That is, overall EV share is still relatively low, but very soon not having charging at apartment buildings will be a non-starter. I'd easily bet that in 5 years you'll see new condo/apartment developments where every space has a charging option.
- profmonocle 4y ago
  > but very soon not having charging at apartment buildings will be a non-starter. My HOA has been discussing this and they came to the same conclusion - not installing chargers in the garage will make it very difficult to sell condos here in 5-ish years.
- mperham 4y ago
  Oregon just passed rules mandating 40% of new apt parking spaces must have charging available. That, combined with no parking minimums, means that parking will really be minimal at new complexes imo.
Gigachad 4y ago
The problem is mostly around metering and billing. Installing 240v outlets is very easy. Making the users of them pay for their usage is harder (but not too hard). No one wants to pay the power usage of someone else.
asdff 4y ago
The thing is its already bad enough that new apartments are mandated to build garages. It leads to fewer units being built overall due to that huge cost to the developer. Now you have to add on charging to each and every spot as well? Maybe this is the impetus that finally gets us off the ball and chain of car culture.
- massysett 4y ago
  No, probably it just drives the cost of housing even higher.
s0rce 4y ago
Rental units also, the last 3 places I've rented have had driveways but no ability to charge an electric car, there just isn't enough incentive for landlords to install them yet, maybe if enough people start driving EVs people will significantly favor units with charging amenities but I can't find anything.
- toomuchtodo 4y ago
  I specially install EV charging at every property I rent to cater to EV owners. No premium for doing so of course.
  - toomuchtodo 4y ago
    s/specially/specifically. Please excuse my typo!

hn_throwaway_99 4y ago

Agreed, but I think this is likely going to be a "tipping point" type of change. That is, overall EV share is still relatively low, but very soon not having charging at apartment buildings will be a non-starter. I'd easily bet that in 5 years you'll see new condo/apartment developments where every space has a charging option.

profmonocle 4y ago
> but very soon not having charging at apartment buildings will be a non-starter. My HOA has been discussing this and they came to the same conclusion - not installing chargers in the garage will make it very difficult to sell condos here in 5-ish years.
mperham 4y ago
Oregon just passed rules mandating 40% of new apt parking spaces must have charging available. That, combined with no parking minimums, means that parking will really be minimal at new complexes imo.

Gigachad 4y ago

The problem is mostly around metering and billing. Installing 240v outlets is very easy. Making the users of them pay for their usage is harder (but not too hard). No one wants to pay the power usage of someone else.

asdff 4y ago

The thing is its already bad enough that new apartments are mandated to build garages. It leads to fewer units being built overall due to that huge cost to the developer. Now you have to add on charging to each and every spot as well? Maybe this is the impetus that finally gets us off the ball and chain of car culture.

massysett 4y ago
No, probably it just drives the cost of housing even higher.

s0rce 4y ago

Rental units also, the last 3 places I've rented have had driveways but no ability to charge an electric car, there just isn't enough incentive for landlords to install them yet, maybe if enough people start driving EVs people will significantly favor units with charging amenities but I can't find anything.

toomuchtodo 4y ago
I specially install EV charging at every property I rent to cater to EV owners. No premium for doing so of course.
- toomuchtodo 4y ago
  s/specially/specifically. Please excuse my typo!