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>the Internet was created so that there could be many independent nodes, not so that everybody has to rely on one of several blessed providers. any community t

>the Internet was created so that there could be many independent nodes, not so that everybody has to rely on one of several blessed providers. any community that grows large enough needs some mechanism to manage trust, this is a universal issue. The early internet was more permissive and less differentiated simply because it was smaller. The big corps do an alright job at managing spam given the sheer size of the problem, and more importantly you don't just need to solve spam, you need to do so economically, because for your system to stay distributed the nodes need to do the job competitively. Given that there's intrinsic benefits to managing these things at scale that's not really realistic, in large systems you're always going to have division of labor and stratification for that reason.

pas 4y ago
spam is solved between the big players, they already use various feedback mechanisms ... it's just not enabled for small fish. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedback_loop_(email) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedback_loop_(email) gmail silently drops emails (while reports smtp 250 accepted) - they could just as easily report that it's blackholed. spammers already do get through their fancy AI filters. microsoft proactively blocks half of the world, rejects the incoming mail, and sends the sysadmin on a wild goose chase to get the IP/domain/whatever allowed. then you diligently register, and wait. and then no signal from them, and the problem still persists. so big corps, small shops, everyone and their dog flocks to the good old microsoft/google duopoly. and at this point if someone asks what to use for email knowing ... well, it's hard to not recommend folks to just use google workspace and have some kind of backup ready for when G bans their whole account just because.
- Godel_unicode 4y ago
  Use Microsoft or Google. Use your own domain. Know how to spin up the other quickly. Spend your time on things that matter.
- hkt 4y ago
  I hope at some point the routine crushing of smaller providers gains the attention of the competition and markets authority, or its equivalents. It is crazy how Google and MS use their market power in this way and get away with it.

pas 4y ago

spam is solved between the big players, they already use various feedback mechanisms ... it's just not enabled for small fish. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedback_loop_(email) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feedback_loop_(email) gmail silently drops emails (while reports smtp 250 accepted) - they could just as easily report that it's blackholed. spammers already do get through their fancy AI filters. microsoft proactively blocks half of the world, rejects the incoming mail, and sends the sysadmin on a wild goose chase to get the IP/domain/whatever allowed. then you diligently register, and wait. and then no signal from them, and the problem still persists. so big corps, small shops, everyone and their dog flocks to the good old microsoft/google duopoly. and at this point if someone asks what to use for email knowing ... well, it's hard to not recommend folks to just use google workspace and have some kind of backup ready for when G bans their whole account just because.

Godel_unicode 4y ago
Use Microsoft or Google. Use your own domain. Know how to spin up the other quickly. Spend your time on things that matter.
hkt 4y ago
I hope at some point the routine crushing of smaller providers gains the attention of the competition and markets authority, or its equivalents. It is crazy how Google and MS use their market power in this way and get away with it.