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The metaphor is kinda good. It's okay for people to refuse your home-cooked burgers because they don't trust them to be safe. There are actual small food vendor

The metaphor is kinda good. It's okay for people to refuse your home-cooked burgers because they don't trust them to be safe. There are actual small food vendors that comply with sanitation rules and you can have them provide catering services, professionally. And that is okay.

carrotcarrot 4y ago
People aren't choosing. Businesses are choosing to reject them before the human ever knows it was sent.
RockingGoodNite 4y ago
Public health is not at stake. I want to cook my own damn email burger thank you.
- Avamander 4y ago
  If you're trying to deliver to others, it is.
  - RockingGoodNite 4y ago
    Google "is email delivery guaranteed", it isn't.
    - Avamander 4y ago
      What's your point?
      - jrm4 4y ago
        I'll take a shot here. I'm not sure why you think Gmail or the other biggies can actually guarantee delivery any better or worse than anyone else. In a technical sense, they definitely can't. In an anecdotal sense, I mean, I've dealt with my hostdime stuff, gmail and outlook. My stuff and gmail deliver just fine. Outlook does fail. In a practical sense, see issue above. I think "non-delivery" via the big-boys getting things wrong on spam (and worse future outcomes, pretty easy to imagine gmail trying to "amp" or something similar email such that it cuts out little guys) is a far far greater danger or problem than an individual or smaller outfit tinkering with their own servers and occasionally getting things wrong.
- jrm4 4y ago
  Absolutely! Another way to look at it: In what world are you more likely to be able to cook your own burger: One where it's literally just McDonalds who can now control how people talk about burgers, or one where there's also other restaurants as well.
pas 4y ago
we mandate public health measures because it's kind of easy to check for "safe to eat" quality. also arguably it's too ineffective considering how hard it is to open a restaurant. (because instead of harassing random taco trucks we should focus on other preventative measures, better visibility of food safety, better reporting and tracking) sure maybe it's time for a "Let's Email" (after letsencrypt) service that handles reputation for email senders. we already have certificate transparency logs, OCSP, CAA records, and all the fancy stuff, what's needed is something similar.
- Avamander 4y ago
  > sure maybe it's time for a "Let's Email" (after letsencrypt) service that handles reputation for email senders. > what's needed is something similar. There are more than a few out there. No offense but if you would have had dealt with spam, you would have known that already.
  - pas 4y ago
    I know, and they are quite useless since the big mailbox hosts don't interact with them. the wonder of letsencrypt is that it does have the backing of Google et al.

carrotcarrot 4y ago

People aren't choosing. Businesses are choosing to reject them before the human ever knows it was sent.

RockingGoodNite 4y ago

Public health is not at stake. I want to cook my own damn email burger thank you.

Avamander 4y ago
If you're trying to deliver to others, it is.
- RockingGoodNite 4y ago
  Google "is email delivery guaranteed", it isn't.
  - Avamander 4y ago
    What's your point?
    - jrm4 4y ago
      I'll take a shot here. I'm not sure why you think Gmail or the other biggies can actually guarantee delivery any better or worse than anyone else. In a technical sense, they definitely can't. In an anecdotal sense, I mean, I've dealt with my hostdime stuff, gmail and outlook. My stuff and gmail deliver just fine. Outlook does fail. In a practical sense, see issue above. I think "non-delivery" via the big-boys getting things wrong on spam (and worse future outcomes, pretty easy to imagine gmail trying to "amp" or something similar email such that it cuts out little guys) is a far far greater danger or problem than an individual or smaller outfit tinkering with their own servers and occasionally getting things wrong.
jrm4 4y ago
Absolutely! Another way to look at it: In what world are you more likely to be able to cook your own burger: One where it's literally just McDonalds who can now control how people talk about burgers, or one where there's also other restaurants as well.

pas 4y ago

we mandate public health measures because it's kind of easy to check for "safe to eat" quality. also arguably it's too ineffective considering how hard it is to open a restaurant. (because instead of harassing random taco trucks we should focus on other preventative measures, better visibility of food safety, better reporting and tracking) sure maybe it's time for a "Let's Email" (after letsencrypt) service that handles reputation for email senders. we already have certificate transparency logs, OCSP, CAA records, and all the fancy stuff, what's needed is something similar.

Avamander 4y ago
> sure maybe it's time for a "Let's Email" (after letsencrypt) service that handles reputation for email senders. > what's needed is something similar. There are more than a few out there. No offense but if you would have had dealt with spam, you would have known that already.
- pas 4y ago
  I know, and they are quite useless since the big mailbox hosts don't interact with them. the wonder of letsencrypt is that it does have the backing of Google et al.