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This kind of comment is not useful. Enlighten us with your knowledge, or, if what you have to say is not better than silence, keep quiet.

by _hl_ 4y ago

softcactus 4y ago
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms The article I linked has as many citations of primary sources as you could ever want. The parent comment seeks to poison the well by casting doubt on the claims that KF is a hate site and pushed people to suicide. It is well-documented and there is no disputing it. Instead of "begging the question", just perform a quick Google search. That way you can: 1. Inform yourself. 2. Not cast a shadow of doubt on easily provable claims.
- Beltalowda 4y ago
  Many people who have looked into the matter have disagreed with that take. It's fine to disagree, but slamming anyone down as ignorant is not constructive. Furthermore, RationalWiki is hardly a neutral site, especially on matters like this. Specifically, some members have a long-running irrational beef with KiwiFarms (I used to edit there fairly frequently back in the day). That it includes information on the site owner's mom – who has no proven relationship with the site beyond that there's an account with her real name, which proves nothing – and that it links to an extortionist "mugshot site" for her proves that the article is not as "rational" as one might hope.
  - softcactus 4y ago
    There are plenty of primary sources linked from that page. > slamming anyone down as ignorant is not constructive. It is when they are reducing it to a he said/she said instead of, I don't know, providing evidence? Begging the question is a way to reduce the credibility of an argument with zero evidence. It's far less constructive than my reply to it, but yet people have taken more issue with my reply.

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This kind of comment is not useful. Enlighten us with your knowledge, or, if what you have to say is not better than silence, keep quiet.

by _hl_ 4y ago

This kind of comment is not useful. Enlighten us with your knowledge, or, if what you have to say is not better than silence, keep quiet.

softcactus 4y ago
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Kiwi_Farms The article I linked has as many citations of primary sources as you could ever want. The parent comment seeks to poison the well by casting doubt on the claims that KF is a hate site and pushed people to suicide. It is well-documented and there is no disputing it. Instead of "begging the question", just perform a quick Google search. That way you can: 1. Inform yourself. 2. Not cast a shadow of doubt on easily provable claims.
- Beltalowda 4y ago
  Many people who have looked into the matter have disagreed with that take. It's fine to disagree, but slamming anyone down as ignorant is not constructive. Furthermore, RationalWiki is hardly a neutral site, especially on matters like this. Specifically, some members have a long-running irrational beef with KiwiFarms (I used to edit there fairly frequently back in the day). That it includes information on the site owner's mom – who has no proven relationship with the site beyond that there's an account with her real name, which proves nothing – and that it links to an extortionist "mugshot site" for her proves that the article is not as "rational" as one might hope.
  - softcactus 4y ago
    There are plenty of primary sources linked from that page. > slamming anyone down as ignorant is not constructive. It is when they are reducing it to a he said/she said instead of, I don't know, providing evidence? Begging the question is a way to reduce the credibility of an argument with zero evidence. It's far less constructive than my reply to it, but yet people have taken more issue with my reply.