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We have become seriously screwed up when we call “working the job you are paid to do” “quiet quitting.” This implies all jobs are under specifying their actual

We have become seriously screwed up when we call “working the job you are paid to do” “quiet quitting.” This implies all jobs are under specifying their actual requirements and by proxy under paying for expected labor, and that’s the employees fault - otherwise they’re not just underperforming but “quitting” quietly - quietly because it’s actually entirely satisfactory. What a hideous dystopia.

system2 4y ago
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- daniel-cussen 4y ago
  This is factual and I can prove it is that way from the very beginning of the formation of the economy, when compound interest behaves nearly linearly. But not linearly. From the very beginning. There are arrangements and something feels off but it's mostly (it really is mostly) a very good arrangement for all parties. Then the aptly termed late-stage capitalism, which is not a bullshit thing it's a mathematical concept too. Worked it out in detail, without adjectives, connotations, plain. So early game, capitalism is better, late game, communism is better. Really the best is nature the entire time.
- krapp 4y ago
  Not for the capitalists, only for everyone else.
- ChrisLomont 4y ago
  Which economic system do you think has proven better at raising standards of living?
  - kelseyfrog 4y ago
    Standard of living is great and all, but I'd trade a big chunk of it away for a modicum less alienation. Just a scrap of de-alienation is all. Yes, I'm begging.
- daniel-cussen 4y ago
  Anybody care to say why they censored my parallel comment? It's now completely illegible now. I like losing karma best comments are gray, but this forum unfortunately lets everybody censor anybody. Points in favor don't make the text any clearer, but points in favor make it illegible. Even under highlighting, you have to copy paste to a different app, you have to leave the web app altogether. And there's troll farms with hackernews.com on their coverage, they make software for instance, which says black is positive points, then for 0 or below you have an automatic color dropper (probably just reads the html) and then you can choose how much you want to censor it yourself sir with our troll farm app. And we can keep it at 0 no matter how many "biological users" upvote it. Like why are points only visible if they're negative? For integrity you should make positive points huge, 50pt, bold, maybe spice up the font. Back when it was points, nobody cared. This is about legibility. It is physically painful to try to read comments grayed out and they don't even show them to you if you highlight. You know that is a real form of cowardly censorship with books? Books that hurt to read, bad fonts mistakes on purpose poor contrast, meant punishing reading without permission. In fact does cause eye damage, squinting then eye degeneration, highly desirable because then they will never read anything again. Relevant today in Chile, the absolute worst-functioning book market and the absolute highest book prices, backed by what is secretly a monopoly, after literally burning books and even torturing people based on their bookshelf. Threatening them openly so they would burn their books out of their own accord. Like if it were karma, I would say nothing, and I still am saying nothing about karma. But if writing is sneakily censored, that's different. It shows up gray only when you log out. I brought the matter of legibility up formally. None of this punishes me, like get real I got whacked, I got lynched, I'm a survivor. It punished my readers. It punishes you. People have to die and keep dying for you to be able to read.
RichardCNormos 4y ago
It's not "quiet quitting", it's "inflation-adjusted effort".
- roflyear 4y ago
  Absolutely. No 10% raise? Do less work.
ThePadawan 4y ago
I've heard it said that employers brand it "quiet quitting", because if they named it something less disingenuous, it would remind people that the opposite of quiet quitting is called "wage theft".
- daniel-cussen 4y ago
  Dude Corporate America means wage theft. Like there are niches but they're not worth the sacrifice if you actually adjust for risk. I'm trying to come up with the alternative, because it turns out there must be a leader and he or she must set things up so there can be another way. Just has to be a virtuous leader who is virtuous because he wants to, like the ideal Confucian Korean King. I'm considering how much to pay people for commuting, I can if I can afford it, just need a lot of profit from a lot of margin from a huge speedup. I know how to do that, that yes. The rest is highly speculative. https://www.fgemm.com https://www.fgemm.com
- UncleMeat 4y ago
  Where did the term come from? I can't trace it back further than a WSJ article and a TikTok criticizing it that blew up. Even sourcing the original article is tricky since almost everything is discussing from a post-TikTok perspective. Corporations are indeed psychopathic monstrosities, but if they were trying to control the conversation with this term then it didn't have any mindshare prior to the backlash.
- Hanschri 4y ago
  I read someone calling quiet qutting "acting your wage", which I found quite hilarious and accurate.
  - ThePadawan 4y ago
    That's really clever! Unfortunately (working internationally, where English is not everyone's first language), this might go over 90% of people's heads :(.
addicted 4y ago
The idea that quiet quitting is about doing the work you’re paid for is the misnomer. Quiet quitting is about people who are doing below the bare minimum they’re supposed to do. Either because they knew they wouldn’t get fired during the labor crunch a few months ago, or because they were working multiple jobs and once again through they could get away with it. The problem is that the “quiet quitters” who were interviewed for these articles didn’t present themselves in that way for obvious reasons. Instead they presented themselves as people who were just doing what they were required and not more. Which describes 70-80% of the workforce for decades.

system2 4y ago

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daniel-cussen 4y ago
This is factual and I can prove it is that way from the very beginning of the formation of the economy, when compound interest behaves nearly linearly. But not linearly. From the very beginning. There are arrangements and something feels off but it's mostly (it really is mostly) a very good arrangement for all parties. Then the aptly termed late-stage capitalism, which is not a bullshit thing it's a mathematical concept too. Worked it out in detail, without adjectives, connotations, plain. So early game, capitalism is better, late game, communism is better. Really the best is nature the entire time.
krapp 4y ago
Not for the capitalists, only for everyone else.
ChrisLomont 4y ago
Which economic system do you think has proven better at raising standards of living?
- kelseyfrog 4y ago
  Standard of living is great and all, but I'd trade a big chunk of it away for a modicum less alienation. Just a scrap of de-alienation is all. Yes, I'm begging.
daniel-cussen 4y ago
Anybody care to say why they censored my parallel comment? It's now completely illegible now. I like losing karma best comments are gray, but this forum unfortunately lets everybody censor anybody. Points in favor don't make the text any clearer, but points in favor make it illegible. Even under highlighting, you have to copy paste to a different app, you have to leave the web app altogether. And there's troll farms with hackernews.com on their coverage, they make software for instance, which says black is positive points, then for 0 or below you have an automatic color dropper (probably just reads the html) and then you can choose how much you want to censor it yourself sir with our troll farm app. And we can keep it at 0 no matter how many "biological users" upvote it. Like why are points only visible if they're negative? For integrity you should make positive points huge, 50pt, bold, maybe spice up the font. Back when it was points, nobody cared. This is about legibility. It is physically painful to try to read comments grayed out and they don't even show them to you if you highlight. You know that is a real form of cowardly censorship with books? Books that hurt to read, bad fonts mistakes on purpose poor contrast, meant punishing reading without permission. In fact does cause eye damage, squinting then eye degeneration, highly desirable because then they will never read anything again. Relevant today in Chile, the absolute worst-functioning book market and the absolute highest book prices, backed by what is secretly a monopoly, after literally burning books and even torturing people based on their bookshelf. Threatening them openly so they would burn their books out of their own accord. Like if it were karma, I would say nothing, and I still am saying nothing about karma. But if writing is sneakily censored, that's different. It shows up gray only when you log out. I brought the matter of legibility up formally. None of this punishes me, like get real I got whacked, I got lynched, I'm a survivor. It punished my readers. It punishes you. People have to die and keep dying for you to be able to read.

RichardCNormos 4y ago

It's not "quiet quitting", it's "inflation-adjusted effort".

roflyear 4y ago
Absolutely. No 10% raise? Do less work.

ThePadawan 4y ago

I've heard it said that employers brand it "quiet quitting", because if they named it something less disingenuous, it would remind people that the opposite of quiet quitting is called "wage theft".

daniel-cussen 4y ago
Dude Corporate America means wage theft. Like there are niches but they're not worth the sacrifice if you actually adjust for risk. I'm trying to come up with the alternative, because it turns out there must be a leader and he or she must set things up so there can be another way. Just has to be a virtuous leader who is virtuous because he wants to, like the ideal Confucian Korean King. I'm considering how much to pay people for commuting, I can if I can afford it, just need a lot of profit from a lot of margin from a huge speedup. I know how to do that, that yes. The rest is highly speculative. https://www.fgemm.com https://www.fgemm.com
UncleMeat 4y ago
Where did the term come from? I can't trace it back further than a WSJ article and a TikTok criticizing it that blew up. Even sourcing the original article is tricky since almost everything is discussing from a post-TikTok perspective. Corporations are indeed psychopathic monstrosities, but if they were trying to control the conversation with this term then it didn't have any mindshare prior to the backlash.
Hanschri 4y ago
I read someone calling quiet qutting "acting your wage", which I found quite hilarious and accurate.
- ThePadawan 4y ago
  That's really clever! Unfortunately (working internationally, where English is not everyone's first language), this might go over 90% of people's heads :(.

addicted 4y ago

The idea that quiet quitting is about doing the work you’re paid for is the misnomer. Quiet quitting is about people who are doing below the bare minimum they’re supposed to do. Either because they knew they wouldn’t get fired during the labor crunch a few months ago, or because they were working multiple jobs and once again through they could get away with it. The problem is that the “quiet quitters” who were interviewed for these articles didn’t present themselves in that way for obvious reasons. Instead they presented themselves as people who were just doing what they were required and not more. Which describes 70-80% of the workforce for decades.