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Not sure what the distinction is. Either Apple uses the hardware you paid for to scan [before uploading] or uses the service you paid for [during upload] to sca

Not sure what the distinction is. Either Apple uses the hardware you paid for to scan [before uploading] or uses the service you paid for [during upload] to scan. The practical difference is nil. The fact of the matter is, either way, if you don't upload you won't be scanned, if you do upload you will be. End result is the same regardless of whether you use OneDrive, Box, Dropbox or Google Drive (who all implement CSAM scanning)

smoldesu 4y ago
The practical difference is that I pay for the electricity they use, now. The wear-and-tear of their service is now imparted onto my phone. If Apple wants to run that code, they're welcome to do it on their own servers; they pay for the hardware, they decide what software it runs. I shouldn't have to waste my storage space on their NeuralHash model though. I shouldn't waste my CPU cycles on their regulatory compliance. Arguing anything else is paramount to saying that Apple owned your phone from the start, and if that's the case, then antitrust legislation can't come soon enough.
- endisneigh 4y ago
  seems like a dumb thing to argue about. everything you're saying is moot as you can just plug in your phone to your computer and upload photos without scanning, or use a self-hosted file upload service, etc. your compute and phone resources are already used for analytics and other things that you didn't explicitly tell the phone to do. you also greatly overestimate how much CPU it takes to compare a hash, lol fact of the matter is, you're only scanned when you're using apple services.
  - smoldesu 4y ago
    > your compute and phone resources are already used for analytics and other things that you didn't explicitly tell the phone to do. I didn't know LineageOS sent analytics, it never showed up on Netguard. Curious! If you think this is a dumb thing to argue about, then by all means; don't argue about it! If you're satisfied with your iPhone and convinced that Apple can do no wrong, then certainly don't let me get in your way. We're talking about the largest company in the world, though, and if you're unwilling to offer them a little criticism for objectively degrading the iPhone experience, then I don't see the point in discussing this. > you also greatly overestimate how much CPU it takes to compare a hash, lol Do I? If it's not such a big hassle, then Apple can just run it on their own servers. They own your iCloud decryption keys anyways, it shouldn't be too big of a deal.
    - endisneigh 4y ago
      We're talking about Apple devices here so LineageOS is irrelevant. Please keep up. > Do I? If it's not such a big hassle, then Apple can just run it on their own servers. They own your iCloud decryption keys anyways, it shouldn't be too big of a deal. Privacy is better preserved doing it on device compared to on their servers. anyway, nothing more to discuss here.
      - pessimizer 4y ago
        You might think that it's silly to complain about having to directly pay for an adversarial program to run, but try to imagine how it could bother other people.

smoldesu 4y ago

The practical difference is that I pay for the electricity they use, now. The wear-and-tear of their service is now imparted onto my phone. If Apple wants to run that code, they're welcome to do it on their own servers; they pay for the hardware, they decide what software it runs. I shouldn't have to waste my storage space on their NeuralHash model though. I shouldn't waste my CPU cycles on their regulatory compliance. Arguing anything else is paramount to saying that Apple owned your phone from the start, and if that's the case, then antitrust legislation can't come soon enough.

endisneigh 4y ago
seems like a dumb thing to argue about. everything you're saying is moot as you can just plug in your phone to your computer and upload photos without scanning, or use a self-hosted file upload service, etc. your compute and phone resources are already used for analytics and other things that you didn't explicitly tell the phone to do. you also greatly overestimate how much CPU it takes to compare a hash, lol fact of the matter is, you're only scanned when you're using apple services.
- smoldesu 4y ago
  > your compute and phone resources are already used for analytics and other things that you didn't explicitly tell the phone to do. I didn't know LineageOS sent analytics, it never showed up on Netguard. Curious! If you think this is a dumb thing to argue about, then by all means; don't argue about it! If you're satisfied with your iPhone and convinced that Apple can do no wrong, then certainly don't let me get in your way. We're talking about the largest company in the world, though, and if you're unwilling to offer them a little criticism for objectively degrading the iPhone experience, then I don't see the point in discussing this. > you also greatly overestimate how much CPU it takes to compare a hash, lol Do I? If it's not such a big hassle, then Apple can just run it on their own servers. They own your iCloud decryption keys anyways, it shouldn't be too big of a deal.
  - endisneigh 4y ago
    We're talking about Apple devices here so LineageOS is irrelevant. Please keep up. > Do I? If it's not such a big hassle, then Apple can just run it on their own servers. They own your iCloud decryption keys anyways, it shouldn't be too big of a deal. Privacy is better preserved doing it on device compared to on their servers. anyway, nothing more to discuss here.
    - pessimizer 4y ago
      You might think that it's silly to complain about having to directly pay for an adversarial program to run, but try to imagine how it could bother other people.