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You didn't engage with any of what I said, and you still haven't retracted your promotion of torture advocates elsewhere in the thread. You're not a serious per

You didn't engage with any of what I said, and you still haven't retracted your promotion of torture advocates elsewhere in the thread. You're not a serious person.

dcow 4y ago
What?
- howinteresting 4y ago
  deepdriver here has promoted an organization called the "Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine" [1], and (the organization, or associated people) have campaigned in favor of: * conversion therapy in the form of talk therapy [2], for which, the Independent Forensic Expert Group (which functions under the auspices of the International Rehabilitation Council for Torture Victims) has said [2a]: "All forms of conversion therapy, including talk or psychotherapy, can cause intense psychological pain and suffering. All practices attempting conversion are inherently humiliating, demeaning, and discriminatory. The combined effects of feeling powerless and extreme humiliation generate profound feelings of shame, guilt, self-disgust, and worthlessness, which can result in a damaged self-concept and enduring personality changes" * The "Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria (ROGD)" hypothesis, the original paper of which was revised to say something completely different after it was shown to lack scientific basis [3] [4] * right-wing propaganda about sex and relationships [5] * ending all transition healthcare for adults up to age 25 [6] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32709551 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32709551 [2] https://transsafety.network/posts/segm-uncovered/ https://transsafety.network/posts/segm-uncovered/ (see the "Non-academic conversion therapy campaigning" section) [2a] https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/Issues/SexualOrientation/IESOGI/CSOsAJ/IFEG_Statement_on_C.T._for_publication.pdf https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/Issues/S... [3] https://web.archive.org/web/20210813225746/https://segm.org/sites/default/files/Amicus%20Brief%20SEGM_2021.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20210813225746/https://segm.org/... (p. 9) [4] https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0214157 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal... [5] https://web.archive.org/web/20210814110728/https://careybaptistchurch.org.uk/carey2014/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Lovewise-Training.pptx https://web.archive.org/web/20210814110728/https://careybapt... [6] https://web.archive.org/web/20210615111058/https://2d3aa506-25d9-4c0d-b140-7d13f9421f96.filesusr.com/ugd/1b54b4_32788a07d22f4fa59e2cab0dfc6971cf.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20210615111058/https://2d3aa506-... I realize I sound like Charlie from It's Always Sunny, but it's all there. These organizations have deep links to various right-wing networks and are all attempts to launder right-wing, unscientific ideas into the mainstream.
- howinteresting 4y ago
  I have a detailed response as a sibling comment, but it got flagged so you probably need to turn on showdead to see it.
_vvaw 4y ago
You’re making specious arguments, engaging in ad hominem, ignoring scientific evidence that you disagree with, and generalizing your individual experience to millions of unrelated minors. I have no intention of engaging with a bad-faith respondent.
- deleted 4y ago
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You didn't engage with any of what I said, and you still haven't retracted your promotion of torture advocates elsewhere in the thread. You're not a serious person.

dcow 4y ago

What?

howinteresting 4y ago
deepdriver here has promoted an organization called the "Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine" [1], and (the organization, or associated people) have campaigned in favor of: * conversion therapy in the form of talk therapy [2], for which, the Independent Forensic Expert Group (which functions under the auspices of the International Rehabilitation Council for Torture Victims) has said [2a]: "All forms of conversion therapy, including talk or psychotherapy, can cause intense psychological pain and suffering. All practices attempting conversion are inherently humiliating, demeaning, and discriminatory. The combined effects of feeling powerless and extreme humiliation generate profound feelings of shame, guilt, self-disgust, and worthlessness, which can result in a damaged self-concept and enduring personality changes" * The "Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria (ROGD)" hypothesis, the original paper of which was revised to say something completely different after it was shown to lack scientific basis [3] [4] * right-wing propaganda about sex and relationships [5] * ending all transition healthcare for adults up to age 25 [6] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32709551 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32709551 [2] https://transsafety.network/posts/segm-uncovered/ https://transsafety.network/posts/segm-uncovered/ (see the "Non-academic conversion therapy campaigning" section) [2a] https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/Issues/SexualOrientation/IESOGI/CSOsAJ/IFEG_Statement_on_C.T._for_publication.pdf https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/Issues/S... [3] https://web.archive.org/web/20210813225746/https://segm.org/sites/default/files/Amicus%20Brief%20SEGM_2021.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20210813225746/https://segm.org/... (p. 9) [4] https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0214157 https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal... [5] https://web.archive.org/web/20210814110728/https://careybaptistchurch.org.uk/carey2014/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Lovewise-Training.pptx https://web.archive.org/web/20210814110728/https://careybapt... [6] https://web.archive.org/web/20210615111058/https://2d3aa506-25d9-4c0d-b140-7d13f9421f96.filesusr.com/ugd/1b54b4_32788a07d22f4fa59e2cab0dfc6971cf.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20210615111058/https://2d3aa506-... I realize I sound like Charlie from It's Always Sunny, but it's all there. These organizations have deep links to various right-wing networks and are all attempts to launder right-wing, unscientific ideas into the mainstream.
howinteresting 4y ago
I have a detailed response as a sibling comment, but it got flagged so you probably need to turn on showdead to see it.

_vvaw 4y ago

You’re making specious arguments, engaging in ad hominem, ignoring scientific evidence that you disagree with, and generalizing your individual experience to millions of unrelated minors. I have no intention of engaging with a bad-faith respondent.

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