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The impetus isn't really on consumers to use half baked products in hopes that it'll improve over time. It's on developers of alternatives to make it at the min

by least 4y ago

The impetus isn't really on consumers to use half baked products in hopes that it'll improve over time. It's on developers of alternatives to make it at the minimum good enough, but more so actually compelling to use the product. Firefox is losing market share every day. I'd say it's probably "good enough" to be a viable alternative for people that are looking for an alternative but not compelling enough to convince anyone to switch to it. They're fighting against momentum. Linux on phones isn't even at "good enough," let alone compelling.

fezfight 4y ago
Yeah, it's going to take folks to think about what they want from the future, instead of just right now. Free market or fiefdom. Doesn't have to be Linux, but it's pretty clear walled gardens == fiefdoms. Its interesting because you can really see how we end up with dictators in politics. Doesn't need to be a coup, people voluntarily give it up for small conveniences.
- least 4y ago
  If a phone is important enough that you think that it's critical that people consider using alternatives for the sake of the future, then those alternatives need to consider why they're that critical and ensure that they are meeting those needs. Alternatively, it's not that important and as such the market being a "fiefdom" is irrelevant. In which case suggesting people switch to alternatives is also irrelevant because it simply doesn't matter.
  - fezfight 4y ago
    Forgive me, I'm not sure what youre trying to say. The relevant reason not to have fiefdoms is demonstrated by the article, is it not? The king can unilaterally destroy you or your business at a whim.
    - least 4y ago
      That's the intrinsic risk of your business depending on other business' platforms. We're witnessing the effects of this currently with Meta's revenue being heavily impacted by Apple's privacy initiatives on their platform. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Even if you think that the status quo is problematic, I don't think that suggesting that consumers switch to something that is terrible is a pragmatic solution.
      - fezfight 4y ago
        I see. My point is it's a choice we all make everyday. How else can we do it? We can choose to live free, or as serfs. I acknowledge that you disagree. And yeah, Meta sucks.

by least 4y ago

fezfight 4y ago

Yeah, it's going to take folks to think about what they want from the future, instead of just right now. Free market or fiefdom. Doesn't have to be Linux, but it's pretty clear walled gardens == fiefdoms. Its interesting because you can really see how we end up with dictators in politics. Doesn't need to be a coup, people voluntarily give it up for small conveniences.

least 4y ago
If a phone is important enough that you think that it's critical that people consider using alternatives for the sake of the future, then those alternatives need to consider why they're that critical and ensure that they are meeting those needs. Alternatively, it's not that important and as such the market being a "fiefdom" is irrelevant. In which case suggesting people switch to alternatives is also irrelevant because it simply doesn't matter.
- fezfight 4y ago
  Forgive me, I'm not sure what youre trying to say. The relevant reason not to have fiefdoms is demonstrated by the article, is it not? The king can unilaterally destroy you or your business at a whim.
  - least 4y ago
    That's the intrinsic risk of your business depending on other business' platforms. We're witnessing the effects of this currently with Meta's revenue being heavily impacted by Apple's privacy initiatives on their platform. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Even if you think that the status quo is problematic, I don't think that suggesting that consumers switch to something that is terrible is a pragmatic solution.
    - fezfight 4y ago
      I see. My point is it's a choice we all make everyday. How else can we do it? We can choose to live free, or as serfs. I acknowledge that you disagree. And yeah, Meta sucks.