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I really have wondered all these years why anyone who claims to be sane trusts and uses any Apple products.

FollowingTheDao 4y ago
I know how this comes about, because it happened to me. I was all in Apple in the early days when their machines were easy to work on and they were focused on trapping you in an ecosystem be good design rather than by App Store lock in and manipulation. I woke up, many people did not. I still use apple products, but I do not trust them one bit, so my use of their products look much different than the average user.
- hammyhavoc 4y ago
  What does your use of their products look like? I abandoned ship with the lack of focus on enterprise following Jobs passing, but always curious to see how others juggle having one foot in Apple-land.
  - FollowingTheDao 4y ago
    I just don’t use their iCloud services for anything but getting to the App Store. I have a throw email that I use for my iCloud account that I’m OK with losing if I need to.
kredd 4y ago
Honestly? Most people (including me) don’t care. I’ve had variety of iOS and Android devices, and something that affects only 1% of the users of either side is basically noise to me. Currently using an iPhone because it integrates really well with my devices at home, no problems with upgrades (had a Samsung previously), apps work find and etc. My evaluation of the products when I buy them: - has a decent customer base, proven track record and reliable? - accomplishes what i want it to do? - don’t cross extreme personal ethical borders? (think of actively funding conversion therapies kinda extreme)
- jollybean 4y ago
  Yes, but it's like the capitalist version of saying 'Xi' is cool because 'I'm not Uyghur or Tibetan'. Or I like US Healthcare 'because I have coverage'. I mean, I get it, at the same time, you could very quickly fall outside the 'in group'.
  - kredd 4y ago
    Let’s not compare someone’s political/cultural stance to their choice of phones. One is fairly inconsequential, the other one directly affects others’ lives.
  - alexashka 4y ago
    You've shifted the argument from 'don't care' to 'cool'. That is an illegal move :)
    - jollybean 4y ago
      Ok change it back to 'don't care' then ...
sneak 4y ago
Part of the appeal of Apple products to some is outsourcing the maintenance of the security of the devices to Apple. Many people actively want this. Sideloading destroys that, as it then becomes possible to take actions to subvert your own device.
- hammyhavoc 4y ago
  iDevices can already be subverted. Plenty of malware over the years, and that's without even mentioning jailbreaking.
  - sneak 4y ago
    Perhaps I should have qualified my statement. It's difficult to subvert iDevices accidentally. Of course they have vulnerabilities like anything else, but in Android-land it's relatively easy for the owner to take actions that subvert the device unintentionally. This is to say nothing about OEM-bundled spyware like in Samsung-land.

I know how this comes about, because it happened to me. I was all in Apple in the early days when their machines were easy to work on and they were focused on trapping you in an ecosystem be good design rather than by App Store lock in and manipulation. I woke up, many people did not. I still use apple products, but I do not trust them one bit, so my use of their products look much different than the average user.

hammyhavoc 4y ago
What does your use of their products look like? I abandoned ship with the lack of focus on enterprise following Jobs passing, but always curious to see how others juggle having one foot in Apple-land.
- FollowingTheDao 4y ago
  I just don’t use their iCloud services for anything but getting to the App Store. I have a throw email that I use for my iCloud account that I’m OK with losing if I need to.

kredd 4y ago

Honestly? Most people (including me) don’t care. I’ve had variety of iOS and Android devices, and something that affects only 1% of the users of either side is basically noise to me. Currently using an iPhone because it integrates really well with my devices at home, no problems with upgrades (had a Samsung previously), apps work find and etc. My evaluation of the products when I buy them: - has a decent customer base, proven track record and reliable? - accomplishes what i want it to do? - don’t cross extreme personal ethical borders? (think of actively funding conversion therapies kinda extreme)

jollybean 4y ago
Yes, but it's like the capitalist version of saying 'Xi' is cool because 'I'm not Uyghur or Tibetan'. Or I like US Healthcare 'because I have coverage'. I mean, I get it, at the same time, you could very quickly fall outside the 'in group'.
- kredd 4y ago
  Let’s not compare someone’s political/cultural stance to their choice of phones. One is fairly inconsequential, the other one directly affects others’ lives.
- alexashka 4y ago
  You've shifted the argument from 'don't care' to 'cool'. That is an illegal move :)
  - jollybean 4y ago
    Ok change it back to 'don't care' then ...

sneak 4y ago

Part of the appeal of Apple products to some is outsourcing the maintenance of the security of the devices to Apple. Many people actively want this. Sideloading destroys that, as it then becomes possible to take actions to subvert your own device.

hammyhavoc 4y ago
iDevices can already be subverted. Plenty of malware over the years, and that's without even mentioning jailbreaking.
- sneak 4y ago
  Perhaps I should have qualified my statement. It's difficult to subvert iDevices accidentally. Of course they have vulnerabilities like anything else, but in Android-land it's relatively easy for the owner to take actions that subvert the device unintentionally. This is to say nothing about OEM-bundled spyware like in Samsung-land.