I am responding to the comment saying "Fact is, Israel is in controll of those terretories, these people are suject to the Israeli state." So you are making my

I am responding to the comment saying "Fact is, Israel is in controll of those terretories, these people are suject to the Israeli state." So you are making my point for me - yep, exactly, Israel is not in control of these territories and it's normal that rules that apply to Israeli citizens don't apply to their residents. My point exactly, glad that you agree! And no, self-determination here cuts the other way too. "Self-determination" is what Putin uses as a pretext to first say Crimea "wants to be part of Russia" (this is actually believable to me, knowing history and having visited there decades ago - but it still shouldn't matter, Crimea is Ukraine). Then they said "DNR wants to be part of Russia", and want to have a "vote" in Kherson to allow it "self-determination". Same as with scum and warlords in DNR/LNR and Russian army, HAMAS/FATAH and their supporting dictators from Jordan/Egypt/Syria are just scum and warlords who rejected the 2-state compromise every time they thought they have enough force to crush Israel. They are pretty much carbon copy of DNR/Putin with their "self-determination" - except weak, so instead of invading they engage in propaganda to get the gullible in the West on their side, and do legal maneuvering.