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This is a "beautiful women must also stupid" fallacy. These people are much better equipped to withstand a societal collapse than someone like yourself and your

by bitlax 4y ago

This is a "beautiful women must also stupid" fallacy. These people are much better equipped to withstand a societal collapse than someone like yourself and your family, who might be the victim of a wandering horde or be subsumed into one.

ngetchell 4y ago
What value would a billionaire provide? Could they work a field for a day? Work with their hands to make things? They seem too pampered to survive. Some might not even know how to iron a shirt.
- mod 4y ago
  Did any of the current billionaires grow up so wealthy that they don't know how to function? I think you're being way over the top. I think they're quite likely to be one of the most valuable people. Way, way more likely than an average guy. Same with their health and ability to work. Bodies adjust quickly, their softness will diminish in a month or two. If you don't agree with that, you must be surrounded by really competent, non average people.
locallost 4y ago
What are they equipped with? True preppers are people investing in their skills among other things, getting ready for a time where supplies will not be delivered by Amazon. These people have money, and thus power now, but if society collapses money becomes worthless and they will have no power. They will have their bunkers, but somebody needs to keep the lights on there and supply them with food. Nobody will do that, they will just take it for themselves.
- mod 4y ago
  They're probably equipped with enough food stores to last their lifetimes. That's what I'd be equipped with. Ways to make fresh water and food, ways to generate electricity, and as we can all guess, an enormous stockpile of toilet paper.
  - lisper 4y ago
    Enough food is not enough. You need a way to defend your food stores against armed gangs who will want to take it from you. So you probably need enough people to man 24-hour shifts on the watch towers. And now you need enough food to feed them for their lifetime. And then you need a plan for the end-game when everyone is too old to stand guard any more. In the face of true societal collapse, lifetime supply of food is more of a problem than it is a solution.
    - mod 4y ago
      Only if they find me. If I'm too old to defend my food, either all the raiders have starved, or they've started farming. A nice food forest would probably be the best option. Camouflaged to most laypeople who can't identify plants. Only collectable some parts of the year. Attracts wildlife. People in large cities have different problem sets than people in remote areas. I don't lock my doors, either. People don't wander by. I'm bordered by bluffs and wilderness. Food stores can be buried etc. I have buried things on my property in the past for a couple of years, came out unchanged.
      - lisper 4y ago
        In a situation like that, it's a question of when, not if, someone will find you.
        mod 4y ago
        They'll find me, but they wouldn't if I were a billionaire. Also I just think you haven't thought through many of the problems you presented, most are easily solved. 24h guard? No, I'll make good use of zoneminder, moron detection, loud alarms, and a lot of cameras. I mean I already have that and I'm not wealthy, for an American. It's not hard to hide a place underground or in a remote wilderness when you have a lot of money. Or just somewhere easily defensible, with one path up, that requires heavy equipment to alter.
        4y ago
- GuB-42 4y ago
  That's why they are getting bunkers. Stocked with fuel, food, water and weapons. Maybe money will be worthless, but their bunker will be valuable. And people will happily serve them for a place in that bunker. And about money, rich peppers probably have gold and a few other resources that can resist a financial system collapse. Feudalism is a typical result of a society collapse, and these guys are building castles. If you are rich and worried about society collapse, that the most logical thing to do.
  - vsareto 4y ago
    That turns into a different dynamic. Your money no longer has power so you become much more accessible and vulnerable. If you happen to be rich and a great leader, you'll probably remain on top though.
    - seanp2k2 4y ago
      > a great leader I doubt a post-apocalyptic society will look kindly upon aristocrats of the before time. I suspect it’s in at least some of their strategies to just blend in and not let their previous status be known. It’s a huge privilege in the current world to be an unrecognizable billionaire. The people on the Forbes lists are the narcissistic ones. There are plenty of people out there who don’t talk about their wealth and power, don’t dress or really live ostentatiously, etc. Some people would ask what the point of wealth and power is in that situation, and those are probably the same people who would be featured in Forbes articles if asked.
  - lamontcg 4y ago
    > people will happily serve them for a place in that bunker. More likely a group of people will happily murder them for everything in that bunker. If you want to prep, be a fit male in your 20s or 30s with some military experience, charisma and the willingness to be cruel. Property rights won't exist.
  - seanp2k2 4y ago
    >gold What good is gold when money is worthless? What intrinsic value does gold have in a society that isn’t manufacturing electronics? It depends on the exact circumstances if crypto, fiat currencies, gold, bullets, or potable water will be the most valuable.
- tacet 4y ago
  >These people have money, and thus power now, but if society collapses money becomes worthless and they will have no power. stockpile vodka, coffee and tobacco. problem solved.
  - harambae 4y ago
    How long can you actually keep coffee and tobacco good? Vodka, yes. E0 with fuel stabilizer, also.
funstuff007 4y ago
I disagree. Many, not all, billionaires are extreme outliers of wealth because of extreme leverage. They are very exposed to an economic downturn and the extreme stress it could cause to someone highly leveraged.

by bitlax 4y ago

ngetchell 4y ago

What value would a billionaire provide? Could they work a field for a day? Work with their hands to make things? They seem too pampered to survive. Some might not even know how to iron a shirt.

mod 4y ago
Did any of the current billionaires grow up so wealthy that they don't know how to function? I think you're being way over the top. I think they're quite likely to be one of the most valuable people. Way, way more likely than an average guy. Same with their health and ability to work. Bodies adjust quickly, their softness will diminish in a month or two. If you don't agree with that, you must be surrounded by really competent, non average people.

locallost 4y ago

What are they equipped with? True preppers are people investing in their skills among other things, getting ready for a time where supplies will not be delivered by Amazon. These people have money, and thus power now, but if society collapses money becomes worthless and they will have no power. They will have their bunkers, but somebody needs to keep the lights on there and supply them with food. Nobody will do that, they will just take it for themselves.

mod 4y ago
They're probably equipped with enough food stores to last their lifetimes. That's what I'd be equipped with. Ways to make fresh water and food, ways to generate electricity, and as we can all guess, an enormous stockpile of toilet paper.
- lisper 4y ago
  Enough food is not enough. You need a way to defend your food stores against armed gangs who will want to take it from you. So you probably need enough people to man 24-hour shifts on the watch towers. And now you need enough food to feed them for their lifetime. And then you need a plan for the end-game when everyone is too old to stand guard any more. In the face of true societal collapse, lifetime supply of food is more of a problem than it is a solution.
  - mod 4y ago
    Only if they find me. If I'm too old to defend my food, either all the raiders have starved, or they've started farming. A nice food forest would probably be the best option. Camouflaged to most laypeople who can't identify plants. Only collectable some parts of the year. Attracts wildlife. People in large cities have different problem sets than people in remote areas. I don't lock my doors, either. People don't wander by. I'm bordered by bluffs and wilderness. Food stores can be buried etc. I have buried things on my property in the past for a couple of years, came out unchanged.
    - lisper 4y ago
      In a situation like that, it's a question of when, not if, someone will find you.
      - mod 4y ago
        They'll find me, but they wouldn't if I were a billionaire. Also I just think you haven't thought through many of the problems you presented, most are easily solved. 24h guard? No, I'll make good use of zoneminder, moron detection, loud alarms, and a lot of cameras. I mean I already have that and I'm not wealthy, for an American. It's not hard to hide a place underground or in a remote wilderness when you have a lot of money. Or just somewhere easily defensible, with one path up, that requires heavy equipment to alter.
        4y ago
GuB-42 4y ago
That's why they are getting bunkers. Stocked with fuel, food, water and weapons. Maybe money will be worthless, but their bunker will be valuable. And people will happily serve them for a place in that bunker. And about money, rich peppers probably have gold and a few other resources that can resist a financial system collapse. Feudalism is a typical result of a society collapse, and these guys are building castles. If you are rich and worried about society collapse, that the most logical thing to do.
- vsareto 4y ago
  That turns into a different dynamic. Your money no longer has power so you become much more accessible and vulnerable. If you happen to be rich and a great leader, you'll probably remain on top though.
  - seanp2k2 4y ago
    > a great leader I doubt a post-apocalyptic society will look kindly upon aristocrats of the before time. I suspect it’s in at least some of their strategies to just blend in and not let their previous status be known. It’s a huge privilege in the current world to be an unrecognizable billionaire. The people on the Forbes lists are the narcissistic ones. There are plenty of people out there who don’t talk about their wealth and power, don’t dress or really live ostentatiously, etc. Some people would ask what the point of wealth and power is in that situation, and those are probably the same people who would be featured in Forbes articles if asked.
- lamontcg 4y ago
  > people will happily serve them for a place in that bunker. More likely a group of people will happily murder them for everything in that bunker. If you want to prep, be a fit male in your 20s or 30s with some military experience, charisma and the willingness to be cruel. Property rights won't exist.
- seanp2k2 4y ago
  >gold What good is gold when money is worthless? What intrinsic value does gold have in a society that isn’t manufacturing electronics? It depends on the exact circumstances if crypto, fiat currencies, gold, bullets, or potable water will be the most valuable.
tacet 4y ago
>These people have money, and thus power now, but if society collapses money becomes worthless and they will have no power. stockpile vodka, coffee and tobacco. problem solved.
- harambae 4y ago
  How long can you actually keep coffee and tobacco good? Vodka, yes. E0 with fuel stabilizer, also.

funstuff007 4y ago

I disagree. Many, not all, billionaires are extreme outliers of wealth because of extreme leverage. They are very exposed to an economic downturn and the extreme stress it could cause to someone highly leveraged.