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I don’t know if you can compare the two. The Kiwifarms owners should be in jail for inciting others to commit psychological harm on people while the Pornhub ow

I don’t know if you can compare the two. The Kiwifarms owners should be in jail for inciting others to commit psychological harm on people while the Pornhub owners should be in jail for knowingly exploiting underage and non consenting women. That’s two very different reasons. But I fully expect the libertarians of HN in full swing explaining to us how it’s the death of free speech and justifying the worst exploitative behaviours because freedom as libertarians like to do.

notadev 4y ago
Only one of those things violates US law. It’s not illegal to have abhorrent beliefs or to say offensive things.
- WastingMyTime89 4y ago
  The issue with kiwifarms is not that they have abhorrent beliefs. The issue is that it’s a platform inciting harassment masquerading as a place of discussion.
- UncleMeat 4y ago
  I find it interesting how, seemingly amongst one group of people, "it isn't illegal" is the go-to defense for organizations like Kiwi Farms while "it isn't illegal" is considered woefully insufficient for justifying the behavior of organizations like Cloudflare.
the_only_law 4y ago
> But I fully expect the libertarians of HN in full swing explaining to us how it’s the death of free speech and justifying the worst exploitative behaviours because freedom as libertarians like to do. I don’t think that was the particular aspect of the aforementioned thread GP was referring to (maybe in part)
randyrand 4y ago
> knowingly exploiting underage and non consenting women. Has a court ruled that yet? If not, that's a pretty ridiculous claim. The site has user submitted content, and perfect moderation is not a simple technical (or even human curated) problem at all. People are basically upset that PH doesn't have perfect moderation, and want them to moderate better, fine. But that's moving the goal posts.
- WastingMyTime89 4y ago
  At the beginning I though I was just going to stay silent but now actually I feel to deeply about that to even respect the rule. Let me clear: pretending until you are skewered in the press that leaving videos of rapes up for a decade, not caring about revenge porn or video of underage girls being posted by their idiotic teenager boyfriends and ruining their life is just a problem of moderation makes you a terrible, disgusting, awful human being. Seriously if that what you believe I hope you will change someday because gosh that’s sad.

notadev 4y ago

Only one of those things violates US law. It’s not illegal to have abhorrent beliefs or to say offensive things.

WastingMyTime89 4y ago
The issue with kiwifarms is not that they have abhorrent beliefs. The issue is that it’s a platform inciting harassment masquerading as a place of discussion.
UncleMeat 4y ago
I find it interesting how, seemingly amongst one group of people, "it isn't illegal" is the go-to defense for organizations like Kiwi Farms while "it isn't illegal" is considered woefully insufficient for justifying the behavior of organizations like Cloudflare.

the_only_law 4y ago

> But I fully expect the libertarians of HN in full swing explaining to us how it’s the death of free speech and justifying the worst exploitative behaviours because freedom as libertarians like to do. I don’t think that was the particular aspect of the aforementioned thread GP was referring to (maybe in part)

randyrand 4y ago

> knowingly exploiting underage and non consenting women. Has a court ruled that yet? If not, that's a pretty ridiculous claim. The site has user submitted content, and perfect moderation is not a simple technical (or even human curated) problem at all. People are basically upset that PH doesn't have perfect moderation, and want them to moderate better, fine. But that's moving the goal posts.

WastingMyTime89 4y ago
At the beginning I though I was just going to stay silent but now actually I feel to deeply about that to even respect the rule. Let me clear: pretending until you are skewered in the press that leaving videos of rapes up for a decade, not caring about revenge porn or video of underage girls being posted by their idiotic teenager boyfriends and ruining their life is just a problem of moderation makes you a terrible, disgusting, awful human being. Seriously if that what you believe I hope you will change someday because gosh that’s sad.