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When reading the KYM page, don't forget to read the KF response. It's always important to read both sides to every story.

by dotty- 4y ago

soulofmischief 4y ago
Absolutely. And at the end of the page, you will see the exact DM's I am referencing between null and near. What exactly do you think I'm leaving out? How null insensitively and defensively perpetuated the idea that the suicide was faked? Furthermore the KYM page is convenient for other uninformed readers, but it is obviously incomplete and not a primary source of information for me because I watched this entire episode unfold in real time. This situation is highly nuanced. However, the KYM page gives fair treatment to the issue.
- dotty- 4y ago
  Truly, I don't think you left anything out. It seems like every controversy involving KF is incredibly complicated and nuanced. I was not there in real time, and from the KYM page, it looks like Null lacked pretty much any compassion during this saga and was more concerned about his user's ability to have "free speech". The KF response, including the link to the entire e-mail exchange, really highlights that lack of compassion. I can see now how the "both sides to every story" implied KF had a moral leg to stand on. Not my intention. I think people almost intentionally avoid visiting the KF site out of some sort of fear, but people shouldn't be afraid to see what's going on over there.
  - soulofmischief 4y ago
    You're right, and everyone should definitely go right to the primary source when evaluating null and this situation. I know some will say that is too much work for some internet drama, and while that's a valid opinion, any further opinion on the issue itself by those people would be entirely invalid due to lack of proper research.
  - yanderekko 4y ago
    Moon was concerned about people being able to demand takedowns of content based on mere suicide threats. Is this lacking in compassion? I believe this is a pretty standard practice, I don't think on IG/Facebook/whatever a mere suicide threat could lead to a takedown of content. A scatching CNN article on a politician would not be retracted based on a suicide threat, etc. And honestly, what's the strongest rebuttal to the claim that the suicide was faked? I guess I've seen claims that some journalists independently confirmed it, but I don't know where these stories are nor what sort of confirmation they received? It shouldn't be particularly unthinkable to consider that Near just was going to abandon their current pseudonymous internet presence and wanted to damage Kiwifarms as a free add-on to this.

When reading the KYM page, don't forget to read the KF response. It's always important to read both sides to every story.

by dotty- 4y ago

When reading the KYM page, don't forget to read the KF response. It's always important to read both sides to every story.

soulofmischief 4y ago

Absolutely. And at the end of the page, you will see the exact DM's I am referencing between null and near. What exactly do you think I'm leaving out? How null insensitively and defensively perpetuated the idea that the suicide was faked? Furthermore the KYM page is convenient for other uninformed readers, but it is obviously incomplete and not a primary source of information for me because I watched this entire episode unfold in real time. This situation is highly nuanced. However, the KYM page gives fair treatment to the issue.

dotty- 4y ago
Truly, I don't think you left anything out. It seems like every controversy involving KF is incredibly complicated and nuanced. I was not there in real time, and from the KYM page, it looks like Null lacked pretty much any compassion during this saga and was more concerned about his user's ability to have "free speech". The KF response, including the link to the entire e-mail exchange, really highlights that lack of compassion. I can see now how the "both sides to every story" implied KF had a moral leg to stand on. Not my intention. I think people almost intentionally avoid visiting the KF site out of some sort of fear, but people shouldn't be afraid to see what's going on over there.
- soulofmischief 4y ago
  You're right, and everyone should definitely go right to the primary source when evaluating null and this situation. I know some will say that is too much work for some internet drama, and while that's a valid opinion, any further opinion on the issue itself by those people would be entirely invalid due to lack of proper research.
- yanderekko 4y ago
  Moon was concerned about people being able to demand takedowns of content based on mere suicide threats. Is this lacking in compassion? I believe this is a pretty standard practice, I don't think on IG/Facebook/whatever a mere suicide threat could lead to a takedown of content. A scatching CNN article on a politician would not be retracted based on a suicide threat, etc. And honestly, what's the strongest rebuttal to the claim that the suicide was faked? I guess I've seen claims that some journalists independently confirmed it, but I don't know where these stories are nor what sort of confirmation they received? It shouldn't be particularly unthinkable to consider that Near just was going to abandon their current pseudonymous internet presence and wanted to damage Kiwifarms as a free add-on to this.