6 ms·

"At least three suicides have been tied to harassment stemming from the Kiwi Farms community, and many on the forum consider their goal to drive their targets t

"At least three suicides have been tied to harassment stemming from the Kiwi Farms community, and many on the forum consider their goal to drive their targets to suicide. Members of the LGBTQ community and women are frequent targets." https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/09/03/cloudflare-drops-kiwifarms/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/09/03/cloudfl...

deleted 4y ago
[deleted]
BrainVirus 4y ago
A lengthy article about the ban supposedly written on the day of the ban by Taylor Lorenz? Taylor Lorenz who doxxed people[1], lied about companies and people, was actively involved in several deplatformings and is currently being sued for defamation[2]? If anything, this makes me even more suspicious of the narrative about Kiwi Farms. This looks more and more like a coordinated campaign. A basic search reveals a huge amount of recent articles that clearly aim to sic people on Cloud Flare[3][4][5][etc]. By amazing coincidence all these articles got published within one week of each other and within one week of Cloudflare dropping the website? Sure. [1] https://unherd.com/thepost/why-taylor-lorenz-can-dox-whoever-she-wants/ https://unherd.com/thepost/why-taylor-lorenz-can-dox-whoever... [2] https://nypost.com/2021/08/16/ny-times-reporter-taylor-lorenz-sued-for-defamation-by-tiktok-agent/ https://nypost.com/2021/08/16/ny-times-reporter-taylor-loren... [3] https://thenewstack.io/cloudflares-kiwi-farms-support-may-soon-hurt-its-bottom-line/ https://thenewstack.io/cloudflares-kiwi-farms-support-may-so... [4] https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-cloudflare-pressure-drop-kiwi-farms-transphobic-swatting-doxing-anti-trans-20220825-afykyaqc2rdsbdoskj64sddmiu-story.html https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-cloudflare-pres... [5] https://www.protocol.com/newsletters/protocol-enterprise/cloudflare-kiwi-farms-microsoft-licensing?rebelltitem=1#rebelltitem1 https://www.protocol.com/newsletters/protocol-enterprise/clo...
- ec109685 4y ago
  Mentioning the name of the person who runs an influential and news making Twitter account that brings harassment to people is reporting, not doxing.
  - softcactus 4y ago
    Exactly. Free speech does not mean freedom from the consequences of your speech. How do people not understand that?
    - dmatech 4y ago
      It generally means freedom from government consequences. It also generally means that third parties won't actively prevent you from speaking to people who choose to listen to you.
      - softcactus 4y ago
        Unless people decide to pressure the third party into de-platforming someone, which is their freedom of expression. I don't understand why the free speech absolutists on HN are incapable of understanding that private citizens pressuring a company to take action against a hate site is equally as much free speech as the hate site itself. By your own standards, nothing objectionable is occurring here. They just want to be contrarian.
        dmatech 4y ago
        There's pressure, but at some point, it can cross the line into extortion (which is not protected).
        deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
        softcactus 4y ago
        Let me know when it crosses that line then.
- danielmalmer 4y ago
  What's your motivation for supporting a community that engages in organized harassment campaigns?
ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
Every word of that is an outright lie.

deleted 4y ago

[deleted]

BrainVirus 4y ago

A lengthy article about the ban supposedly written on the day of the ban by Taylor Lorenz? Taylor Lorenz who doxxed people[1], lied about companies and people, was actively involved in several deplatformings and is currently being sued for defamation[2]? If anything, this makes me even more suspicious of the narrative about Kiwi Farms. This looks more and more like a coordinated campaign. A basic search reveals a huge amount of recent articles that clearly aim to sic people on Cloud Flare[3][4][5][etc]. By amazing coincidence all these articles got published within one week of each other and within one week of Cloudflare dropping the website? Sure. [1] https://unherd.com/thepost/why-taylor-lorenz-can-dox-whoever-she-wants/ https://unherd.com/thepost/why-taylor-lorenz-can-dox-whoever... [2] https://nypost.com/2021/08/16/ny-times-reporter-taylor-lorenz-sued-for-defamation-by-tiktok-agent/ https://nypost.com/2021/08/16/ny-times-reporter-taylor-loren... [3] https://thenewstack.io/cloudflares-kiwi-farms-support-may-soon-hurt-its-bottom-line/ https://thenewstack.io/cloudflares-kiwi-farms-support-may-so... [4] https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-cloudflare-pressure-drop-kiwi-farms-transphobic-swatting-doxing-anti-trans-20220825-afykyaqc2rdsbdoskj64sddmiu-story.html https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-cloudflare-pres... [5] https://www.protocol.com/newsletters/protocol-enterprise/cloudflare-kiwi-farms-microsoft-licensing?rebelltitem=1#rebelltitem1 https://www.protocol.com/newsletters/protocol-enterprise/clo...

ec109685 4y ago
Mentioning the name of the person who runs an influential and news making Twitter account that brings harassment to people is reporting, not doxing.
- softcactus 4y ago
  Exactly. Free speech does not mean freedom from the consequences of your speech. How do people not understand that?
  - dmatech 4y ago
    It generally means freedom from government consequences. It also generally means that third parties won't actively prevent you from speaking to people who choose to listen to you.
    - softcactus 4y ago
      Unless people decide to pressure the third party into de-platforming someone, which is their freedom of expression. I don't understand why the free speech absolutists on HN are incapable of understanding that private citizens pressuring a company to take action against a hate site is equally as much free speech as the hate site itself. By your own standards, nothing objectionable is occurring here. They just want to be contrarian.
      - dmatech 4y ago
        There's pressure, but at some point, it can cross the line into extortion (which is not protected).
        deleted 4y ago
        [deleted]
        softcactus 4y ago
        Let me know when it crosses that line then.
danielmalmer 4y ago
What's your motivation for supporting a community that engages in organized harassment campaigns?

ThrowawayTestr 4y ago

Every word of that is an outright lie.