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Because if we banned sites for causing suicides then Instagram, Facebook, and TikTok would be off the internet.

hackerlight 4y ago
Well I happen to think they should be off the internet, so you're preaching to the choir. But supposing I wasn't someone who thought that, what you're saying is disanalogous, given the ratio of healthy use cases to unhealthy ones is drastically different, and given that these larger platforms actually ban (albeit imperfectly enforced) a lot of the suicide-causing behavior that Kiwifarms allows.
sweetheart 4y ago
I think you’re making a stronger case for your opponents point than you think.
- capitalsigma 4y ago
  Kids have been bullied into suicide at school. Do you think we should ban schools? Or forbid cafeterias? Some kids feel trauma over being picked last for sports teams -- should we ban sports?
  - krainboltgreene 4y ago
    We do actually act against kids or teachers who cause other kids to commit suicide. I don't know why you've decided that we don't.
    - capitalsigma 4y ago
      We act against kids and teachers, yeah, but we don't act against the place where they gather (i.e. the school, the playground, whatever). Similarly, we should act against the people who spread hate on Instagram, not the platform -- not advocate for kids to have fewer ways to socialize.
    - google234123 4y ago
      Apparently 9% of teens cyberbully themselves. Seems like there is a bigger problem with the system https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2022-09-02/digital-self-harm-when-teens-cyberbully-themselves https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2022-09-02/...
      - krainboltgreene 4y ago
        Why is there a problem competition? Can we not solve multiple problems? Is there a problem solving drought?
  - sweetheart 4y ago
    I think if something directly causes substantial increases to suicide rates, then it should be changed so as to not do that. If such change means that the thing no longer exists, then c’est la vie.
    - capitalsigma 4y ago
      So the acceptable rate of teen suicide was fixed at some point in the past, and everything is OK as long as we stay at that number? Why stop there?
micromacrofoot 4y ago
they too should be held responsible if there is a failure to moderate and report flagged content in my city a school was closed entirely due to administrators failure to act on reported abuse
tharne 4y ago
> Because if we banned sites for causing suicides then Instagram, Facebook, and TikTok would be off the internet. You'd have to ban mainstream news outlets for the exact same reason.

Well I happen to think they should be off the internet, so you're preaching to the choir. But supposing I wasn't someone who thought that, what you're saying is disanalogous, given the ratio of healthy use cases to unhealthy ones is drastically different, and given that these larger platforms actually ban (albeit imperfectly enforced) a lot of the suicide-causing behavior that Kiwifarms allows.

sweetheart 4y ago

I think you’re making a stronger case for your opponents point than you think.

capitalsigma 4y ago
Kids have been bullied into suicide at school. Do you think we should ban schools? Or forbid cafeterias? Some kids feel trauma over being picked last for sports teams -- should we ban sports?
- krainboltgreene 4y ago
  We do actually act against kids or teachers who cause other kids to commit suicide. I don't know why you've decided that we don't.
  - capitalsigma 4y ago
    We act against kids and teachers, yeah, but we don't act against the place where they gather (i.e. the school, the playground, whatever). Similarly, we should act against the people who spread hate on Instagram, not the platform -- not advocate for kids to have fewer ways to socialize.
  - google234123 4y ago
    Apparently 9% of teens cyberbully themselves. Seems like there is a bigger problem with the system https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2022-09-02/digital-self-harm-when-teens-cyberbully-themselves https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2022-09-02/...
    - krainboltgreene 4y ago
      Why is there a problem competition? Can we not solve multiple problems? Is there a problem solving drought?
- sweetheart 4y ago
  I think if something directly causes substantial increases to suicide rates, then it should be changed so as to not do that. If such change means that the thing no longer exists, then c’est la vie.
  - capitalsigma 4y ago
    So the acceptable rate of teen suicide was fixed at some point in the past, and everything is OK as long as we stay at that number? Why stop there?

micromacrofoot 4y ago

they too should be held responsible if there is a failure to moderate and report flagged content in my city a school was closed entirely due to administrators failure to act on reported abuse

tharne 4y ago

> Because if we banned sites for causing suicides then Instagram, Facebook, and TikTok would be off the internet. You'd have to ban mainstream news outlets for the exact same reason.