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> Can anyone dispute those accusations? Guilty until proven innocent. And naturally we’ll take away your freedom of speech since your guilty, and also generall

> Can anyone dispute those accusations? Guilty until proven innocent. And naturally we’ll take away your freedom of speech since your guilty, and also generally disregard anything you have to say to defend yourself, we don’t listen to someone guilty of a crime.

_ph_ 4y ago
I am not a judge, I am not asking for a guilty verdict. Perhaps badly phrased, I was asking for a comment, a contrary viewpoint, because all that I had so far heard makes it sound as if cloudflare rather acted to late. But that might be because my source of information might not be very balanced. That is why I am asking for input.
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  Look at my other comment in this thread on the "drove someone to suicide" aspect. I'm totally neutral, never heard of KF before today. It does look like that's true on some level - the person in question did say to KF "remove a thread about me or I'll kill myself" and appears to have done so, but it's a more complicated story than that. The person in question was clearly a major suicide risk for a long time independent of KF. It's quite possible they'd have done so whether KF ever existed or not, as by their own telling they were totally socially isolated, had no friends, regretted how they'd spent their life, their entire existence was tied up in their internet identity, they were diagnosed with several mental disorders for which they had been taking many different drugs, and was doing a "DIY" gender transition using HRT against their own doctor's advice. The KF thread in question was mostly a record of this person's own online postings (which were all pseudonymous!). The underlying issue here seems like a really complicated and socially tricky one - how should someone respond to a demand of the form "remove evidence of my past online activity or else I'll kill myself". It's probably not specific to KF. Theoretically archive.org could face the exact same situation.
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olsonjeffery 4y ago
The presumption of innocence doesn’t apply here. Not sorry that that bothers you so much.

_ph_ 4y ago

I am not a judge, I am not asking for a guilty verdict. Perhaps badly phrased, I was asking for a comment, a contrary viewpoint, because all that I had so far heard makes it sound as if cloudflare rather acted to late. But that might be because my source of information might not be very balanced. That is why I am asking for input.

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origin_path 4y ago
Look at my other comment in this thread on the "drove someone to suicide" aspect. I'm totally neutral, never heard of KF before today. It does look like that's true on some level - the person in question did say to KF "remove a thread about me or I'll kill myself" and appears to have done so, but it's a more complicated story than that. The person in question was clearly a major suicide risk for a long time independent of KF. It's quite possible they'd have done so whether KF ever existed or not, as by their own telling they were totally socially isolated, had no friends, regretted how they'd spent their life, their entire existence was tied up in their internet identity, they were diagnosed with several mental disorders for which they had been taking many different drugs, and was doing a "DIY" gender transition using HRT against their own doctor's advice. The KF thread in question was mostly a record of this person's own online postings (which were all pseudonymous!). The underlying issue here seems like a really complicated and socially tricky one - how should someone respond to a demand of the form "remove evidence of my past online activity or else I'll kill myself". It's probably not specific to KF. Theoretically archive.org could face the exact same situation.

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olsonjeffery 4y ago

The presumption of innocence doesn’t apply here. Not sorry that that bothers you so much.