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Gab CEO made the same claim when gab was banned everywhere. He said there was a suspicious increase in really bad content a few days before. Obviously it’s com

Gab CEO made the same claim when gab was banned everywhere. He said there was a suspicious increase in really bad content a few days before. Obviously it’s completely unverifiable, but in the timeframes we are talking, if 30 minutes is too long to remove bad content, it’s super easy for any bad actor to take down any forum on the internet. The precedents set here are terrible.

shadowgovt 4y ago
Gab got business relationships terminated because a mass murderer became radicalized via interactions with Gab users (and people had the receipts). This was after a pattern of buildup of political rhetoric culminating in violence on their site that had repeated for years.
soulofmischief 4y ago
If you read the Cloudflare announcement, they stress that this is not general policy and to not see this decision as precedent.
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- ohCh6zos 4y ago
  Once is a mistake, twice is a habit. Cloudflair can't set a precedent and just announce it isn't one.
  - dmix 4y ago
    This is the third time CF banned a site and it won’t be the last. It gets easier to justify every time and Cloudflare just motivated every deplatforming mob on Twitter. They showed pressure tactics work, just help create an ‘extraordinary’ situation. This is the kind of stuff spies are experts at. It can be learned by motivated online communities to target their enemies.
    - soulofmischief 4y ago
      Well I'm sure we both can look forward to future decentralized anti-ddos solutions
- _-david-_ 4y ago
  Fool me once... They have removed multiple sites after a mob asked them to. How is it not turning into a precedent?
- origin_path 4y ago
  Just days ago they said they regretted doing it before and wouldn't do it again. How on earth can anything Cloudflare say be trusted now - the CEO literally inverted his stated position within, what, a few days?
hackerlight 4y ago
> it’s super easy for any bad actor to take down any forum on the internet. No it isn't. There's a bigger context to the decision. If you find a Justin Bieber fan club forum and post incitement to violence, I guarantee that nobody will want to take down the site, because everyone understands that the forum itself had nothing to do with the post.
- charcircuit 4y ago
  >because everyone understands that the forum itself had nothing to do with the post. This is a subjective call and one that is easy to get wrong since the person making the call is unfamiliar with the site. I think it could help if there were actual discussions with a site's administers instead of just kicking them off the service.
googlryas 4y ago
I think that really depends. What is the other forum content? If it is benign stuff, and the post is completely out of left field, then the forum is probably safe. But if a lot of the content is toeing the line of illegal activity (but still legal), and then some illegal stuff gets posted, there probably isn't going to be any sympathy for the forum.

shadowgovt 4y ago

Gab got business relationships terminated because a mass murderer became radicalized via interactions with Gab users (and people had the receipts). This was after a pattern of buildup of political rhetoric culminating in violence on their site that had repeated for years.

soulofmischief 4y ago

If you read the Cloudflare announcement, they stress that this is not general policy and to not see this decision as precedent.

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ohCh6zos 4y ago
Once is a mistake, twice is a habit. Cloudflair can't set a precedent and just announce it isn't one.
- dmix 4y ago
  This is the third time CF banned a site and it won’t be the last. It gets easier to justify every time and Cloudflare just motivated every deplatforming mob on Twitter. They showed pressure tactics work, just help create an ‘extraordinary’ situation. This is the kind of stuff spies are experts at. It can be learned by motivated online communities to target their enemies.
  - soulofmischief 4y ago
    Well I'm sure we both can look forward to future decentralized anti-ddos solutions
_-david-_ 4y ago
Fool me once... They have removed multiple sites after a mob asked them to. How is it not turning into a precedent?
origin_path 4y ago
Just days ago they said they regretted doing it before and wouldn't do it again. How on earth can anything Cloudflare say be trusted now - the CEO literally inverted his stated position within, what, a few days?

hackerlight 4y ago

> it’s super easy for any bad actor to take down any forum on the internet. No it isn't. There's a bigger context to the decision. If you find a Justin Bieber fan club forum and post incitement to violence, I guarantee that nobody will want to take down the site, because everyone understands that the forum itself had nothing to do with the post.

charcircuit 4y ago
>because everyone understands that the forum itself had nothing to do with the post. This is a subjective call and one that is easy to get wrong since the person making the call is unfamiliar with the site. I think it could help if there were actual discussions with a site's administers instead of just kicking them off the service.

googlryas 4y ago

I think that really depends. What is the other forum content? If it is benign stuff, and the post is completely out of left field, then the forum is probably safe. But if a lot of the content is toeing the line of illegal activity (but still legal), and then some illegal stuff gets posted, there probably isn't going to be any sympathy for the forum.