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So that's why we have to be better than them.

protomyth 4y ago
I get the feeling there comes a point where 'do better than them' turns into do exactly like them. I really wish people had gone with 'live and let live', but since that didn't happen the inevitable pendulum swing will.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  Describing your own ethics in relative terms to your enemies' ethics is an admission that you have no firm or rational ethics. It's like the first centrist commandment. And the more similar your enemy is to you in this quality, the more likely this becomes a vicious circle that eventually lets everyone compromise everything. "The bad guys are doing the same thing that we're doing, so isn't it good that us good guys are keeping up? Would you rather this be done by the good guys, or just the bad guys? Are you working for the bad guys?"
  - tacitusarc 4y ago
    This really trivializes a complex topic. It ignores the role of preferences, and frames it in absolute terms. It’s not an absence of rational ethics, it’s an absence of certainty when faced with imperfect data.
  - protomyth 4y ago
    Superman, when properly written, is super because he will never cross the line (Superman vs. the Elite). Those stories shed an amazing light on the behavior we love in humanity, that you can do "good" and never stray and still win. The power of those stories is that we believe the underlying truth. Sadly, if people play by the rules and unfair stuff keeps happening, you teach people to use tactics that they find personally revolting. Welcome to what happens when you move from "I must act honorably" to "the end justifies the means". Never push people to the thin ice unless you are prepared for the consequences as those powerless peons you hurt might just not be so powerless.
im3w1l 4y ago
As I mentioned, I have written off instabook. Decleared them a lost cause. There is no point protesting their censorship. Rather the only option is to destroy and replace them. Debating just how controlled the controlled opposition should be is a waste of time. Now please elaborate on all the ways you are better than me.

I get the feeling there comes a point where 'do better than them' turns into do exactly like them. I really wish people had gone with 'live and let live', but since that didn't happen the inevitable pendulum swing will.

pessimizer 4y ago
Describing your own ethics in relative terms to your enemies' ethics is an admission that you have no firm or rational ethics. It's like the first centrist commandment. And the more similar your enemy is to you in this quality, the more likely this becomes a vicious circle that eventually lets everyone compromise everything. "The bad guys are doing the same thing that we're doing, so isn't it good that us good guys are keeping up? Would you rather this be done by the good guys, or just the bad guys? Are you working for the bad guys?"
- tacitusarc 4y ago
  This really trivializes a complex topic. It ignores the role of preferences, and frames it in absolute terms. It’s not an absence of rational ethics, it’s an absence of certainty when faced with imperfect data.
- protomyth 4y ago
  Superman, when properly written, is super because he will never cross the line (Superman vs. the Elite). Those stories shed an amazing light on the behavior we love in humanity, that you can do "good" and never stray and still win. The power of those stories is that we believe the underlying truth. Sadly, if people play by the rules and unfair stuff keeps happening, you teach people to use tactics that they find personally revolting. Welcome to what happens when you move from "I must act honorably" to "the end justifies the means". Never push people to the thin ice unless you are prepared for the consequences as those powerless peons you hurt might just not be so powerless.

im3w1l 4y ago

As I mentioned, I have written off instabook. Decleared them a lost cause. There is no point protesting their censorship. Rather the only option is to destroy and replace them. Debating just how controlled the controlled opposition should be is a waste of time. Now please elaborate on all the ways you are better than me.