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If this is what Matthew Prince referred to as: > However, the rhetoric on the Kiwifarms site and specific, targeted threats have escalated over the last 48 hou

If this is what Matthew Prince referred to as: > However, the rhetoric on the Kiwifarms site and specific, targeted threats have escalated over the last 48 hours to the point that we believe there is an unprecedented emergency and immediate threat to human life unlike we have previously seen from Kiwifarms or any other customer before. Seriously? I helped moderate a small community at one point and we would see stuff like this on a weekly basis. Or just look at a YouTube or Facebook comment section on a controversial topic. This looks like an excuse to cave to the Twitter mob.

desindol 4y ago
You are a company if you get death threats against your own workers you have to act. These threats are not anonymous. There are legal implications if you do nothing and something happens.
- pseudo0 4y ago
  Matthew Prince did not provide any information on the nature of the threats he claimed, but the two that were widely discussed on Twitter are addressed in the submitted post. Neither of them involve Cloudflare employees, so I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - kelseyfrog 4y ago
    Let's be clear, there is no level of evidence that would be acceptable to KF supporters. Asking for it is pointless because the response would be to discredit it regardless of what it was. So far we see, "it's a joke," "that's a bad apple," "you cant prove there is a connection," "you don't understand look but not touch," ad nauseum. We're just skipping the dialog tree to the part where CF had the power and KF didn't. Kind of a nothingburger if you ask me. KF lost the game - end of story.
    - dmix 4y ago
      KF is still around and if it wasn’t I’m sure it will be replaced within a month. These are some of the most technically sophisticated users on the internet who are obsessive about internet culture. They aren’t going away via wack-a-mole censorship and apparently their website traffic grew significantly thanks to all of the press they’ve received. It’s a good test to see how censorship resistant the internet can be.
- ajsnigrutin 4y ago
  Sure, if you get one or two... If you get 5000 from a twitter mob, from people living all around the world, you can still report, but there's pretty much zero chance that anything will happen to any of those 5000 people, because the threats are considered as "not real" and nobody wants to deal with 5000 cases (paperwork, warrants, judical process after, etc.)
  - desindol 4y ago
    You are still liable.
    - ajsnigrutin 4y ago
      I'm not talking about not-reporting, i'm talking about the uselessness of reporting... you report, the police does nothing. Who are they going to sue? You did what you had to do, the police will do nothing, and suing the police for not investigating 5000 different people from all around the world... well.. good luck with that.
      - desindol 4y ago
        Yeah, that’s still not how the real world works. Liability is there even if you really think it’s all bullshit. No sane corp will ignore it especially not in the US.
        monadgonad 4y ago
        You clearly did not read the post you're replying to at all. They are not talking about ignoring it or claiming that they are not liable.
        desindol 4y ago
        You have clearly no idea that you are still liable if you are not actively reducing the threat against your employees.
  - 4y ago
stuaxo 4y ago
They were harrasing people to the point of suicide and "swatting" - attempting to murder via police.
- heartbeats 4y ago
  How do you know it was them? It wouldn't make much sense for them to SWAT Marjorie Taylor Greene, now does it?
  - therouwboat 4y ago
    Why not, if mtg was swatted and killed by police, that would great way to show that both sides are the same.
    - macinjosh 4y ago
      Both sides are the same, they are flawed people.
      - altcognito 4y ago
        Then usage of “they” here is suspect, everybody is political, even if you don’t ascribe to be part of a party.
- _dain_ 4y ago
  Wrong, and wrong.
- boastful_inaba 4y ago
  It should be noted for the record that Kiwi Farms has had a longstanding 'no touch' rule, usually displayed prominently at the top of every page. (It appears to be currently replaced by the admin notifications whilst the site deals with the current state of events.) Much like the old site Portal of Evil, another best-of-the-worst aggregator from the early internet, making on-site trolling/harassment plans is a great way to get your account banned very quickly ... or becoming a thread topic yourself.
suprjami 4y ago
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- toxik 4y ago
  This style of inflammatory rhetoric does not belong on this site.
  - noasaservice 4y ago
  - suprjami 4y ago
    Nor does a zero-research comment equating the internet's worst harrassment forum with a relatively harmless small Facebook group.
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danaris 4y ago
On the one hand, it probably is at least partly an excuse, given that Kiwifarms is baaasically set up to create exactly those conditions, and I'm skeptical that the most recent incidents are genuinely worse than anything they've done before. On the other hand, about bloody time they got rid of the site, and if they need to post a public excuse to feel justified in it, sure, whatever.

desindol 4y ago

You are a company if you get death threats against your own workers you have to act. These threats are not anonymous. There are legal implications if you do nothing and something happens.

pseudo0 4y ago
Matthew Prince did not provide any information on the nature of the threats he claimed, but the two that were widely discussed on Twitter are addressed in the submitted post. Neither of them involve Cloudflare employees, so I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.
- deleted 4y ago
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- kelseyfrog 4y ago
  Let's be clear, there is no level of evidence that would be acceptable to KF supporters. Asking for it is pointless because the response would be to discredit it regardless of what it was. So far we see, "it's a joke," "that's a bad apple," "you cant prove there is a connection," "you don't understand look but not touch," ad nauseum. We're just skipping the dialog tree to the part where CF had the power and KF didn't. Kind of a nothingburger if you ask me. KF lost the game - end of story.
  - dmix 4y ago
    KF is still around and if it wasn’t I’m sure it will be replaced within a month. These are some of the most technically sophisticated users on the internet who are obsessive about internet culture. They aren’t going away via wack-a-mole censorship and apparently their website traffic grew significantly thanks to all of the press they’ve received. It’s a good test to see how censorship resistant the internet can be.
ajsnigrutin 4y ago
Sure, if you get one or two... If you get 5000 from a twitter mob, from people living all around the world, you can still report, but there's pretty much zero chance that anything will happen to any of those 5000 people, because the threats are considered as "not real" and nobody wants to deal with 5000 cases (paperwork, warrants, judical process after, etc.)
- desindol 4y ago
  You are still liable.
  - ajsnigrutin 4y ago
    I'm not talking about not-reporting, i'm talking about the uselessness of reporting... you report, the police does nothing. Who are they going to sue? You did what you had to do, the police will do nothing, and suing the police for not investigating 5000 different people from all around the world... well.. good luck with that.
    - desindol 4y ago
      Yeah, that’s still not how the real world works. Liability is there even if you really think it’s all bullshit. No sane corp will ignore it especially not in the US.
      - monadgonad 4y ago
        You clearly did not read the post you're replying to at all. They are not talking about ignoring it or claiming that they are not liable.
        desindol 4y ago
        You have clearly no idea that you are still liable if you are not actively reducing the threat against your employees.
- 4y ago

stuaxo 4y ago

They were harrasing people to the point of suicide and "swatting" - attempting to murder via police.

heartbeats 4y ago
How do you know it was them? It wouldn't make much sense for them to SWAT Marjorie Taylor Greene, now does it?
- therouwboat 4y ago
  Why not, if mtg was swatted and killed by police, that would great way to show that both sides are the same.
  - macinjosh 4y ago
    Both sides are the same, they are flawed people.
    - altcognito 4y ago
      Then usage of “they” here is suspect, everybody is political, even if you don’t ascribe to be part of a party.
_dain_ 4y ago
Wrong, and wrong.
boastful_inaba 4y ago
It should be noted for the record that Kiwi Farms has had a longstanding 'no touch' rule, usually displayed prominently at the top of every page. (It appears to be currently replaced by the admin notifications whilst the site deals with the current state of events.) Much like the old site Portal of Evil, another best-of-the-worst aggregator from the early internet, making on-site trolling/harassment plans is a great way to get your account banned very quickly ... or becoming a thread topic yourself.

suprjami 4y ago

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toxik 4y ago
This style of inflammatory rhetoric does not belong on this site.
- noasaservice 4y ago
- suprjami 4y ago
  Nor does a zero-research comment equating the internet's worst harrassment forum with a relatively harmless small Facebook group.

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danaris 4y ago

On the one hand, it probably is at least partly an excuse, given that Kiwifarms is baaasically set up to create exactly those conditions, and I'm skeptical that the most recent incidents are genuinely worse than anything they've done before. On the other hand, about bloody time they got rid of the site, and if they need to post a public excuse to feel justified in it, sure, whatever.