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I'm sure they do. It's hard to root for a company as diabolical as MindGeek but the organization fighting them (and winning in this case) has it's roots in a ri

I'm sure they do. It's hard to root for a company as diabolical as MindGeek but the organization fighting them (and winning in this case) has it's roots in a right wing, sex-negative, religious moralism. So yea I'm sure Pornhub cares and it's probably good for everyone else to care because it's the fights on these moral fringes were society's values are shaped.

seydor 4y ago
i dont think i ve ever seen the pornhub instagram account, and i am a pornhub user But you are right, mindgeek will probably shut down at some point , leaving the space open for a new porn king, which will probably (?) be in Russia, and it will use cryptocurrency out of necessity. In that sense, i m kind of rooting for it tbh
- shakes_mcjunkie 4y ago
  If you think MindGeek should shutdown for the things they've done, I don't think a "new porn king" in Russia using crypto is going to solve any of those problems.
  - infinityio 4y ago
    My interpretation was that they are rooting for mindgeek (being able to fix the numerous issues they have), because the alternative will be so much worse
- lizardactivist 4y ago
  If Mindgeek shuts down or sells its business, the new owner will be US-based. There's a clear pattern that is becoming very visible now, where the US attacks European or Asian owned companies in the social/content media space by leveraging baseless accusations about wrongdoings or some crime committed, then disturbing the service by threatening to ban it, or withdrawing access to payment methods. It doesn't matter what space or type of company it is. If it is large enough and owns a big piece of a lucrative market, then it will be attacked. The goal is to put pressure and allowing US-based investment firms to acquire the company, or to make it fold so US-based competitors can absorb the market share, and thus finally owning and controlling what is typically tens of billions of market share and steering the revenue into the US. TikTok, Pornhub/Mindgeek, Spotify, and OnlyFans are some recent examples where exactly this method is being applied.
  - rottencupcakes 4y ago
    I wish the US government was doing that. In reality the US government and people are so anti tech they prefer to stifle silicon valley as much as possible. They are not competent enough to really be doing what you claim.
    - shakes_mcjunkie 4y ago
      The issue with MindGeek is that they were hosting cp. Also, they have a massive market share on both the consumer and producer ends of the market and they use that power in really scummy ways. None of these issues are about stifling innovation or being anti tech.
  - spencerchubb 4y ago
    Um... did you just say that the accusations against MindGeek are baseless? The accusations are very much based in fact.
  - shakes_mcjunkie 4y ago
    Pornhub was hosting cp. It's fair that they're attacked in that case to clean up their operation. Also, aside from the very much based in fact cp issue, a lot of the attacks are coming from US based religious conservatives. What evidence do you have that there's an international conspiracy against pornhub?
  - astrange 4y ago
    I do not think the US government has an industrial policy to promote the local porn industry.
tomjen3 4y ago
MindGeek is just being stupid, they should do much more to clean up the site, or if they do that, talk about it more. But the people who are attacking them are, much, much worse. Thanks to things like SESTA, sex workers had to go back to their pimps.
- forgotpwd16 4y ago
  >they should do much more to clean up the site What more than removing everything of which uploader doesn't have an identification that involved parties are over 18?
  - tomjen3 4y ago
    If they did and kept doing that, there wouldn't have been a basis for a suit.
    - forgotpwd16 4y ago
      The suits are based on videos uploaded before the purge and the introduction of the verification requirement. Incidentally this took place few days after a major article was published on NYT (in Dec 2020) although they're multiple reports by the people shown on those videos over years.
  - _-david-_ 4y ago
    My understanding is the parties involved don't have to provide ID to Mindgeek or the uploader. The requirment is that the uploader must provide an ID. The uploader may or may not be the person in the video so it is possible that children are still in the video.
- shakes_mcjunkie 4y ago
  IMO the main problem is that MindGeek has way too much power in the industry. Like a lot of tech firms, it should be broken up by antitrust.

seydor 4y ago

i dont think i ve ever seen the pornhub instagram account, and i am a pornhub user But you are right, mindgeek will probably shut down at some point , leaving the space open for a new porn king, which will probably (?) be in Russia, and it will use cryptocurrency out of necessity. In that sense, i m kind of rooting for it tbh

shakes_mcjunkie 4y ago
If you think MindGeek should shutdown for the things they've done, I don't think a "new porn king" in Russia using crypto is going to solve any of those problems.
- infinityio 4y ago
  My interpretation was that they are rooting for mindgeek (being able to fix the numerous issues they have), because the alternative will be so much worse
lizardactivist 4y ago
If Mindgeek shuts down or sells its business, the new owner will be US-based. There's a clear pattern that is becoming very visible now, where the US attacks European or Asian owned companies in the social/content media space by leveraging baseless accusations about wrongdoings or some crime committed, then disturbing the service by threatening to ban it, or withdrawing access to payment methods. It doesn't matter what space or type of company it is. If it is large enough and owns a big piece of a lucrative market, then it will be attacked. The goal is to put pressure and allowing US-based investment firms to acquire the company, or to make it fold so US-based competitors can absorb the market share, and thus finally owning and controlling what is typically tens of billions of market share and steering the revenue into the US. TikTok, Pornhub/Mindgeek, Spotify, and OnlyFans are some recent examples where exactly this method is being applied.
- rottencupcakes 4y ago
  I wish the US government was doing that. In reality the US government and people are so anti tech they prefer to stifle silicon valley as much as possible. They are not competent enough to really be doing what you claim.
  - shakes_mcjunkie 4y ago
    The issue with MindGeek is that they were hosting cp. Also, they have a massive market share on both the consumer and producer ends of the market and they use that power in really scummy ways. None of these issues are about stifling innovation or being anti tech.
- spencerchubb 4y ago
  Um... did you just say that the accusations against MindGeek are baseless? The accusations are very much based in fact.
- shakes_mcjunkie 4y ago
  Pornhub was hosting cp. It's fair that they're attacked in that case to clean up their operation. Also, aside from the very much based in fact cp issue, a lot of the attacks are coming from US based religious conservatives. What evidence do you have that there's an international conspiracy against pornhub?
- astrange 4y ago
  I do not think the US government has an industrial policy to promote the local porn industry.

tomjen3 4y ago

MindGeek is just being stupid, they should do much more to clean up the site, or if they do that, talk about it more. But the people who are attacking them are, much, much worse. Thanks to things like SESTA, sex workers had to go back to their pimps.

forgotpwd16 4y ago
>they should do much more to clean up the site What more than removing everything of which uploader doesn't have an identification that involved parties are over 18?
- tomjen3 4y ago
  If they did and kept doing that, there wouldn't have been a basis for a suit.
  - forgotpwd16 4y ago
    The suits are based on videos uploaded before the purge and the introduction of the verification requirement. Incidentally this took place few days after a major article was published on NYT (in Dec 2020) although they're multiple reports by the people shown on those videos over years.
- _-david-_ 4y ago
  My understanding is the parties involved don't have to provide ID to Mindgeek or the uploader. The requirment is that the uploader must provide an ID. The uploader may or may not be the person in the video so it is possible that children are still in the video.
shakes_mcjunkie 4y ago
IMO the main problem is that MindGeek has way too much power in the industry. Like a lot of tech firms, it should be broken up by antitrust.