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Technical question: Cloudflare says they are currently intercepting requests for Kiwifarms and redirecting them to the linked blog post. What does Kiwifarms n

by nkurz 4y ago

Technical question: Cloudflare says they are currently intercepting requests for Kiwifarms and redirecting them to the linked blog post. What does Kiwifarms need to do to remove their dependency on Cloudflare and make their forum visible again [edit: at the original address]? Can they do it unilaterally by changing an DNS address and waiting for it to propagate? Or do they need Cloudflare's cooperation?

thepasswordis 4y ago
It looks like cloudflare is their registrar.
chocolatkey 4y ago
When you set up a Cloudflare account, you tell your domain provider (Namecheap, Godaddy, Google etc.) that you want Cloudflare to have complete control over your domain by setting the domain's nameservers to Cloudflare's. If you want to get off of Cloudflare, you just go to your domain registrar and set your nameservers to some other DNS host, whether it be DDOS-Guard (which is what kiwifarms did with their .ru domain), the domain registrar's own, or any other. It will take a bit to propagate but should be pretty quick. Of course if you bought your domain on Cloudflare you may be kind of screwed, but I don't think that was so in this case. EDIT: It was https://who.is/whois/kiwifarms.net https://who.is/whois/kiwifarms.net so they might be screwed. Depends on if Cloudflare still lets them access the dashboard and transfer the domain to another registrar.
- nkurz 4y ago
  There's an interesting post from last year by Moon explaining his choice to use Cloudflare for DNS: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2021-10-28/where-sidewalk-ends-death-internet https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2021-10-28/where-sidewalk-end.... quasar posted it on HN, but it's not getting much traction, presumably because it's hosted on ZeroHedge: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32711917 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32711917.
6c737133 4y ago
Change nameserver and wait for propagation It's not rocket surgery. CF is incapable of "taking" any website offline - the only "power" they have, is the choice to not providing free DDoS protection, and/or to stop resolving the site's URL

by nkurz 4y ago

thepasswordis 4y ago

It looks like cloudflare is their registrar.

chocolatkey 4y ago

When you set up a Cloudflare account, you tell your domain provider (Namecheap, Godaddy, Google etc.) that you want Cloudflare to have complete control over your domain by setting the domain's nameservers to Cloudflare's. If you want to get off of Cloudflare, you just go to your domain registrar and set your nameservers to some other DNS host, whether it be DDOS-Guard (which is what kiwifarms did with their .ru domain), the domain registrar's own, or any other. It will take a bit to propagate but should be pretty quick. Of course if you bought your domain on Cloudflare you may be kind of screwed, but I don't think that was so in this case. EDIT: It was https://who.is/whois/kiwifarms.net https://who.is/whois/kiwifarms.net so they might be screwed. Depends on if Cloudflare still lets them access the dashboard and transfer the domain to another registrar.

nkurz 4y ago
There's an interesting post from last year by Moon explaining his choice to use Cloudflare for DNS: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2021-10-28/where-sidewalk-ends-death-internet https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2021-10-28/where-sidewalk-end.... quasar posted it on HN, but it's not getting much traction, presumably because it's hosted on ZeroHedge: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32711917 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32711917.

6c737133 4y ago

Change nameserver and wait for propagation It's not rocket surgery. CF is incapable of "taking" any website offline - the only "power" they have, is the choice to not providing free DDoS protection, and/or to stop resolving the site's URL