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I think the point is that this isn't even KF's first go at the bomb threat thing. They've organized bomb threats, swatting, stalking vulnerable people at hotel

by mpyne 4y ago

I think the point is that this isn't even KF's first go at the bomb threat thing. They've organized bomb threats, swatting, stalking vulnerable people at hotel rooms they've fled to, and worse things besides... and CF was always OK with. Always. Until now. When KF forced CF into a choice between protecting KF and protecting the victims of KF, CF chose KF, repeatedly. Until now. I'm glad CF has made the right choice, finally. But it clearly is not going to come from within, it's going to have to come from continued public awareness.

_dain_ 4y ago
>They've organized bomb threats, swatting, stalking vulnerable people at hotel rooms they've fled to, and worse things besides all of these things are against site rules, users who do them are banned (and mercilessly mocked). the MTG swatting was so obviously a false flag, whoever did it said "YES I AM FROM KIWIFARMS AND THIS IS MY EXACT USERNAME", there was no actual discussion of a swatting attempt in the thread prior to that; nobody would just straight up admit who they were while committing a crime like that, especially after null repeatedly said he hands over people's info to law enforcement if they post illegal shit. remember, the site is currently being DDoSed, which is a crime. people want it gone. so is it that impossible that the DDoSers would also do other illegal crap (like swatting) and blame it on KF to get their way?
- smcl 4y ago
  Oh shit maybe we're all wrong then! Can I ask, then, what is the purpose of the site, if it's not to co-ordinate the harrassment of individuals by sharing their personal information?
  - bobsmooth 4y ago
    To laugh at silly people online.
  - rejectfinite 4y ago
    >what is the purpose of the site It is a forum. Should sites have to have a "purpose" and does this need to be vetted by some authority or the hosting provider? What is the "purpose" of Twitter, Facebook, Telegram, Signal, 4chan or Discord? >by sharing their personal information I mostly saw public Twitter screenshots being reposted. I swear some people dont seem to understand that Twitter is public and not all DMs.
    - artificial 4y ago
      Regarding the "purpose" argument. Authoritarianism is on the rise. What are you, some kind of wrongthinker? :)
    - smcl 4y ago
      Ok have fun doing whatever it is you do that isn’t doxing on your forum when it’s back online (after the doxing and the threats took it offline) I guess.
      - rejectfinite 4y ago
        I dont have an account there... My HN is also not some driveby throwaway. You are putting words in my mouth now because you are out of arguments. This is a discussion forum.
  - HideousKojima 4y ago
    The purpose is to document the bizarre (and oftentimes outright creepy and/or illegal) behavior of the terminally online. You know, stuff like helping your friend sell his bathtub brewed hormones to minors without their parents finding out. Or running a Discord server called Catboy Ranch that has several minors on it, and you send them personalized collars that declare them your property. Just ordinary, innocent stuff that is no one else's business, clearly.
philippejara 4y ago
Is there any proof, at all, of any swatting, being organized there? seems to be a question that eludes people.
- krainboltgreene 4y ago
  No one is answering you because it's obvious to even the most intermediate observer where this work is coming from. The only reason anyone would give KF the benefit of the doubt is because they willfully are ignoring the activity going on in KF.
  - Cyberdog 4y ago
    So the lack of evidence of wrongdoing is evidence of wrongdoing. Got it. That will certainly fly in court.
    - krainboltgreene 4y ago
      What court? What lack of evidence? Are you even on this earth right now?
      - Cyberdog 4y ago
        > What court? A hypothetical court. I was just using it as an example of how the argument wouldn't hold muster in situations where it would really need to. > What lack of evidence? You posted this: > No one is answering you because it's obvious to even the most intermediate observer where this work is coming from. Again, "well, it's just obvious, dude" is not evidence. It's similar to a "god of the gaps" argument. If there's evidence Kiwi Farms did it, then Kiwi Farms did it, and if there's not evidence that Kiwi Farms did it, then Kiwi Farms still did it. That makes no sense.
        krainboltgreene 4y ago
        > I was just using it as an example of how the argument wouldn't hold muster in situations where it would really need to. I love when non-lawyers think they have any idea on what holds muster in the court of law.
HereIGoAgain 4y ago
What are you talking about exactly? As far as I've been able to find, they don't even have a history of harassment, let alone something illegal, not as a forum/community. As we saw with this "threat" here.. it was reported and deleted as soon as the mods saw it and the user perma banned.. Just like every other attempt by a "member" to post something illegal or interact with someone off site.

by mpyne 4y ago

_dain_ 4y ago

>They've organized bomb threats, swatting, stalking vulnerable people at hotel rooms they've fled to, and worse things besides all of these things are against site rules, users who do them are banned (and mercilessly mocked). the MTG swatting was so obviously a false flag, whoever did it said "YES I AM FROM KIWIFARMS AND THIS IS MY EXACT USERNAME", there was no actual discussion of a swatting attempt in the thread prior to that; nobody would just straight up admit who they were while committing a crime like that, especially after null repeatedly said he hands over people's info to law enforcement if they post illegal shit. remember, the site is currently being DDoSed, which is a crime. people want it gone. so is it that impossible that the DDoSers would also do other illegal crap (like swatting) and blame it on KF to get their way?

smcl 4y ago
Oh shit maybe we're all wrong then! Can I ask, then, what is the purpose of the site, if it's not to co-ordinate the harrassment of individuals by sharing their personal information?
- bobsmooth 4y ago
  To laugh at silly people online.
- rejectfinite 4y ago
  >what is the purpose of the site It is a forum. Should sites have to have a "purpose" and does this need to be vetted by some authority or the hosting provider? What is the "purpose" of Twitter, Facebook, Telegram, Signal, 4chan or Discord? >by sharing their personal information I mostly saw public Twitter screenshots being reposted. I swear some people dont seem to understand that Twitter is public and not all DMs.
  - artificial 4y ago
    Regarding the "purpose" argument. Authoritarianism is on the rise. What are you, some kind of wrongthinker? :)
  - smcl 4y ago
    Ok have fun doing whatever it is you do that isn’t doxing on your forum when it’s back online (after the doxing and the threats took it offline) I guess.
    - rejectfinite 4y ago
      I dont have an account there... My HN is also not some driveby throwaway. You are putting words in my mouth now because you are out of arguments. This is a discussion forum.
- HideousKojima 4y ago
  The purpose is to document the bizarre (and oftentimes outright creepy and/or illegal) behavior of the terminally online. You know, stuff like helping your friend sell his bathtub brewed hormones to minors without their parents finding out. Or running a Discord server called Catboy Ranch that has several minors on it, and you send them personalized collars that declare them your property. Just ordinary, innocent stuff that is no one else's business, clearly.

philippejara 4y ago

Is there any proof, at all, of any swatting, being organized there? seems to be a question that eludes people.

krainboltgreene 4y ago
No one is answering you because it's obvious to even the most intermediate observer where this work is coming from. The only reason anyone would give KF the benefit of the doubt is because they willfully are ignoring the activity going on in KF.
- Cyberdog 4y ago
  So the lack of evidence of wrongdoing is evidence of wrongdoing. Got it. That will certainly fly in court.
  - krainboltgreene 4y ago
    What court? What lack of evidence? Are you even on this earth right now?
    - Cyberdog 4y ago
      > What court? A hypothetical court. I was just using it as an example of how the argument wouldn't hold muster in situations where it would really need to. > What lack of evidence? You posted this: > No one is answering you because it's obvious to even the most intermediate observer where this work is coming from. Again, "well, it's just obvious, dude" is not evidence. It's similar to a "god of the gaps" argument. If there's evidence Kiwi Farms did it, then Kiwi Farms did it, and if there's not evidence that Kiwi Farms did it, then Kiwi Farms still did it. That makes no sense.
      - krainboltgreene 4y ago
        > I was just using it as an example of how the argument wouldn't hold muster in situations where it would really need to. I love when non-lawyers think they have any idea on what holds muster in the court of law.

HereIGoAgain 4y ago

What are you talking about exactly? As far as I've been able to find, they don't even have a history of harassment, let alone something illegal, not as a forum/community. As we saw with this "threat" here.. it was reported and deleted as soon as the mods saw it and the user perma banned.. Just like every other attempt by a "member" to post something illegal or interact with someone off site.