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> The claim that there has been some “dangerous escalation” in the past 2 weeks is nonsense. I believe the final push for Cloudflare to drop them was this foru

> The claim that there has been some “dangerous escalation” in the past 2 weeks is nonsense. I believe the final push for Cloudflare to drop them was this forum thread where users were organizing a bomb threat & armed confrontation against several members of the Drop Kiwi Farms campaign. (copied from https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/x56mot/cloudflare_blocks_kiwifarms/imzfdzj/ https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/x56mot/cloudfla...)

dart200 4y ago
one screenshot by someone crying wolf as much as possible proves exactly nothing. the post was deleted within a few mins, so extremely sus. violent threats are posted on all major websites, idk why this one is so exceptional. doesn't even look real, smells entirely like bait. or someone trying to get KF taken down.
- jacooper 4y ago
  - viridian 4y ago
    What's more likely: That this user has compromised the backend of HN via some exploit in order to make a couple of posts? or They are the type of person who regularly deletes their old posts? Because I see the latter on reddit, twitter, etc, all the time, while the former has serious security implications for every user on HN.
    - Akronymus 4y ago
      Or someone simply not feeling like commenting for a long time.
google234123 4y ago
To be fair, if the opponents of KF were willing to illegally ddos the site then it’s not a stretch to say they wouldn’t be willing to do a false flag.
- lupire 4y ago
  DDOS and murder (SWATting is use of deadly force, so is attempting murder) are not interchangable crimes.
  - _-david-_ 4y ago
    The post you are responding to is insinuating that if a group is willing to commit one crime (DDOS) they may be willing to do another crime / questionable act like make a bomb threat post to frame KF.
JYellensFuckboy 4y ago
Am I missing something? The linked source contradicts that comment. The source only links one post by one user - a horrible attempt at a joke by my reading - and it was removed. Is there more?
- pixl97 4y ago
  >a horrible attempt at a joke by my reading No. Just no. "We should just blow everyone up, lol, j/k" < This is fascism in practice. This is the behavior that leads to violence. >Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past. --Sartre
  - nervlord 4y ago
  - dvzk 4y ago
    Just say that you want Kiwifarms deleted from the internet. There is nothing tenuous or uncertain about that stance, if you own it openly. Hiding behind concern over a false and un-serious threat is a coward's strategy.
    - pixl97 4y ago
      I honestly know nothing about the site, somehow before today I've missed the place existed. I can see in past history HN history it's been quite a contentious site. If sites are making threats of violence against others, and it is not being moderated, even fascists 'I'm just kidding' behaviors, I'm perfectly fine banning them, I'm not hiding behind anything, this is my stated position. You're just falling into a typical libertarian trap, a common failing on sites like HN. That is the "All voices should be heard, even those calling for violence and intimidation of others", it's just very suspect because the groups that tend to espouse that tend to do so say it from a position of privilege and are not the ones having acts of violence carried out against them. Violence should not, and ultimately cannot be tolerated.
Cyberdog 4y ago
Interesting how that screenshot on Keffals' Twitter feed crops out the number of downvotes that post would have received, as well as the replies from other posters calling that poster a fed and a glowie.
- matheusmoreira 4y ago
  Yeah, it's a meme as old as the forums themselves. It's hilarious that this one post that everyone immediately saw through was the one that made Cloudflare react.
- byyll 4y ago

dart200 4y ago

one screenshot by someone crying wolf as much as possible proves exactly nothing. the post was deleted within a few mins, so extremely sus. violent threats are posted on all major websites, idk why this one is so exceptional. doesn't even look real, smells entirely like bait. or someone trying to get KF taken down.

jacooper 4y ago
- viridian 4y ago
  What's more likely: That this user has compromised the backend of HN via some exploit in order to make a couple of posts? or They are the type of person who regularly deletes their old posts? Because I see the latter on reddit, twitter, etc, all the time, while the former has serious security implications for every user on HN.
  - Akronymus 4y ago
    Or someone simply not feeling like commenting for a long time.

google234123 4y ago

To be fair, if the opponents of KF were willing to illegally ddos the site then it’s not a stretch to say they wouldn’t be willing to do a false flag.

lupire 4y ago
DDOS and murder (SWATting is use of deadly force, so is attempting murder) are not interchangable crimes.
- _-david-_ 4y ago
  The post you are responding to is insinuating that if a group is willing to commit one crime (DDOS) they may be willing to do another crime / questionable act like make a bomb threat post to frame KF.

JYellensFuckboy 4y ago

Am I missing something? The linked source contradicts that comment. The source only links one post by one user - a horrible attempt at a joke by my reading - and it was removed. Is there more?

pixl97 4y ago
>a horrible attempt at a joke by my reading No. Just no. "We should just blow everyone up, lol, j/k" < This is fascism in practice. This is the behavior that leads to violence. >Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past. --Sartre
- nervlord 4y ago
- dvzk 4y ago
  Just say that you want Kiwifarms deleted from the internet. There is nothing tenuous or uncertain about that stance, if you own it openly. Hiding behind concern over a false and un-serious threat is a coward's strategy.
  - pixl97 4y ago
    I honestly know nothing about the site, somehow before today I've missed the place existed. I can see in past history HN history it's been quite a contentious site. If sites are making threats of violence against others, and it is not being moderated, even fascists 'I'm just kidding' behaviors, I'm perfectly fine banning them, I'm not hiding behind anything, this is my stated position. You're just falling into a typical libertarian trap, a common failing on sites like HN. That is the "All voices should be heard, even those calling for violence and intimidation of others", it's just very suspect because the groups that tend to espouse that tend to do so say it from a position of privilege and are not the ones having acts of violence carried out against them. Violence should not, and ultimately cannot be tolerated.

Cyberdog 4y ago

Interesting how that screenshot on Keffals' Twitter feed crops out the number of downvotes that post would have received, as well as the replies from other posters calling that poster a fed and a glowie.

matheusmoreira 4y ago
Yeah, it's a meme as old as the forums themselves. It's hilarious that this one post that everyone immediately saw through was the one that made Cloudflare react.
byyll 4y ago