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The middle east is _not_ sub Saharan Africa.

simonh 4y ago
So what? The same applies. Sub Saharan Africa had frequent contact with North Africa and the Middle East. The Romans sent expeditions, and Arab traders travelled across much of the continent. For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romans_in_Sub-Saharan_Africa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romans_in_Sub-Saharan_Africa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timbuktu#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timbuktu#History The Egyptians sponsored a Phoenician expedition that circumnavigated Africa. Finds at the ruins at Great Zimbabwe include items from as far away as China. Check out this mural of the Roman emperor Severus and his wife from the 2nd century, and tell me again how there were no black people in Europe as long ago as Medieval times. https://www.history.co.uk/article/severus-rome’s-first-african-emperor https://www.history.co.uk/article/severus-rome’s-first-afric... And again, we know for a fact from Tolkien that the Numenorians ranged from the north all the way to the far southern continent, and the oceans of the Far East.
- thrown_22 4y ago
  Yes, and you keep ignoring the death rates for those expeditions.
  - simonh 4y ago
    Please point out the evidence for these death rates. Any way the death rates from disease don’t matter. What matters is the survivors. What we do know is this contact happened. That’s a fact. It was even common enough to be economically important. That’s all it takes for people from far populations or with distant ancestry to show up.
    - thrown_22 4y ago
      https://www.researchgate.net/publication/310799440_Mortality_among_European_settlers_in_pre-colonial_West_Africa_The_White_Man's_Grave_revisited https://www.researchgate.net/publication/310799440_Mortality... Somewhere between 10% to 30% of Europeans that moved to West Africa died each year. To put that in context the black death on average killed between 30% to 60% of the population _once a generation_.

So what? The same applies. Sub Saharan Africa had frequent contact with North Africa and the Middle East. The Romans sent expeditions, and Arab traders travelled across much of the continent. For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romans_in_Sub-Saharan_Africa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romans_in_Sub-Saharan_Africa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timbuktu#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timbuktu#History The Egyptians sponsored a Phoenician expedition that circumnavigated Africa. Finds at the ruins at Great Zimbabwe include items from as far away as China. Check out this mural of the Roman emperor Severus and his wife from the 2nd century, and tell me again how there were no black people in Europe as long ago as Medieval times. https://www.history.co.uk/article/severus-rome’s-first-african-emperor https://www.history.co.uk/article/severus-rome’s-first-afric... And again, we know for a fact from Tolkien that the Numenorians ranged from the north all the way to the far southern continent, and the oceans of the Far East.

thrown_22 4y ago
Yes, and you keep ignoring the death rates for those expeditions.
- simonh 4y ago
  Please point out the evidence for these death rates. Any way the death rates from disease don’t matter. What matters is the survivors. What we do know is this contact happened. That’s a fact. It was even common enough to be economically important. That’s all it takes for people from far populations or with distant ancestry to show up.
  - thrown_22 4y ago
    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/310799440_Mortality_among_European_settlers_in_pre-colonial_West_Africa_The_White_Man's_Grave_revisited https://www.researchgate.net/publication/310799440_Mortality... Somewhere between 10% to 30% of Europeans that moved to West Africa died each year. To put that in context the black death on average killed between 30% to 60% of the population _once a generation_.