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They muffed it. They were proving to the world how reliable they could be and repairing the damage from the Stormfront debacle, and again they just showed how p

They muffed it. They were proving to the world how reliable they could be and repairing the damage from the Stormfront debacle, and again they just showed how prone to caving to pressure they can be. What a joke. I will never use CF for anything I want kept online in the face of angry people.

spamizbad 4y ago
I'm guessing KF members organizing the swatting a US congresswoman (albeit a controversial one) was probably the straw the broke the camel's back. Hard to lobby congress (Which Cloudflare does) when you protect a forum actively swats its members.
- Helloworldboy 4y ago
- Cyberdog 4y ago
  Prove your accusation, please. That the person that made that call not only said they were KF, but a certain user from KF and gave their account name, should be evidence to anyone who thinks about it for two seconds that that was almost certainly a false flag.
  - dillondoyle 4y ago
    Ok then if that's the standard where's our evidence.
- redballoon6 4y ago
  Ah, yes. When the caller helpfully told the police he was a kiwifarms user. Because that's what swatters usually do...
- ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
- atdrummond 4y ago
  Neither KF nor its members swatted MTG. It was absolutely done to place blame on KF and doesn’t even comport with the image those who dislike the site paint - that KF is a radical, right wing forum designed to harass minorities and political opponents.
  - subsuboptimal 4y ago
- _dain_ 4y ago
  >I'm guessing KF members organizing the swatting a US congresswoman This never happened. It was just blamed on KF by the people currently criminally DDoSing it. I'm amazed by the credulity and lack of critical thinking in this whole discussion. Nobody seems to have the slightest interest in hearing from KF's point of view ... which is now at any rate impossible because they've been banished from the internet. There are two sides to this conflict and you aren't allowed to hear from one side, so the other side can just relentlessly make shit up, exaggerate, take things out of context, and it will be taken as gospel. So many comments like "I've never heard of KF before but I looked at this hysterical out of context twitter thread and wow I guess it does need to be censored-via-DDOS".
  - BryantD 4y ago
    I agree that MTG almost certainly wasn’t swatted by KF. I have, however, spent time reading Kiwifarms well before this controversy. I have zero interest in arguing about the conclusions I reached: I just want to put down a marker and say that you’re wrong. Many people who disagree with you have taken the time to read the site.
paulryanrogers 4y ago
For those not in the know what makes the StormFront situation such a debacle and how is it similar?
- schleck8 4y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stormfront_(website) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stormfront_(website)
- Cyberdog 4y ago
  Both times, people organized a social media campaign to try to get CF to drop services for a site they disliked, and both times CF first refused in the interest of free speech, safe harbor, let law enforcement handle it, etc, then flipped like a switch and dropped their services when the mob didn't go away fast enough. Now you can hate Stormfront's message (I do), and you can hate what people are allowed to say and do on Kiwi Farms, and in that light you can feel that CF's actions are just fine. But just be aware that if your site becomes the next pariah of the internet some way or some how, CF is prone to drop your services as well. And it's their right to do so, of course, but the way they're saying stuff like "The policies we articulated last Wednesday remain our policies" and that this is a special case are rather ridiculous. How many more times will this happen before it stops being a particularly special case?
  - ketzo 4y ago
    "Hate the message" is a huge oversimplification. People don't want Stormfront gone for aesthetic reasons. They want Stormfront and similar sites gone because they encourage physical violence against certain peoples. It is, IMO, a huge strawman to say that people just "don't like" these sites.
    - Cyberdog 4y ago
      And it's a huge strawman to imply I said people just wanted SF gone for aesthetic reasons. At any rate, if "hate the message" of SF is inappropriate, what would you suggest instead? I, and many other people, strongly disagree with the ideas that most people on SF advocate for. I think that "hate their message" works just fine there.
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schleck8 4y ago
raxxorraxor 4y ago
Their Twitter denial of service protection is pretty weak.
prezjordan 4y ago
Couldn't agree more. This sets an awful precedent for people who want to start websites dedicated to harassing people to the point of suicide.
AgentME 4y ago
It blows my mind that someone would judge a company for not hosting a literal neonazi website.
- Cyberdog 4y ago
  If you think KF was a literal neonazi site, either you don't know what "literal" means or you have a ridiculously broad definition of "neonazi." Given the absolute state of modern American politics, I'm afraid it's the latter, but who knows.
  - AgentME 4y ago
    I was referring to Stormfront there and how you called that situation "the Stormfront debacle", as if the bad thing about the situation was CF stopping working with them.
    - AgentME 4y ago
      Actually, somewhat related: it turns out that the owner of KF was also hosting a literal neonazi website in addition to KF. (https://twitter.com/keffals/status/1566335693663731712 https://twitter.com/keffals/status/1566335693663731712) If I did seem to call KF or its owner neonazi, I don't think it would be completely in the wrong to do so.
  - stonogo 4y ago
    grandparent poster was obviously talking about stormfront
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zionic 4y ago
What other reasonable conclusion exists besides the CEO of cloudfare being a coward?
Copenjin 4y ago
You took the worst example you could take and that says a lot. Do you plan to build something like kiwifarms? Don't and grow up, focus on building useful projects.

spamizbad 4y ago

I'm guessing KF members organizing the swatting a US congresswoman (albeit a controversial one) was probably the straw the broke the camel's back. Hard to lobby congress (Which Cloudflare does) when you protect a forum actively swats its members.

Helloworldboy 4y ago
Cyberdog 4y ago
Prove your accusation, please. That the person that made that call not only said they were KF, but a certain user from KF and gave their account name, should be evidence to anyone who thinks about it for two seconds that that was almost certainly a false flag.
- dillondoyle 4y ago
  Ok then if that's the standard where's our evidence.
redballoon6 4y ago
Ah, yes. When the caller helpfully told the police he was a kiwifarms user. Because that's what swatters usually do...
ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
atdrummond 4y ago
Neither KF nor its members swatted MTG. It was absolutely done to place blame on KF and doesn’t even comport with the image those who dislike the site paint - that KF is a radical, right wing forum designed to harass minorities and political opponents.
- subsuboptimal 4y ago
_dain_ 4y ago
>I'm guessing KF members organizing the swatting a US congresswoman This never happened. It was just blamed on KF by the people currently criminally DDoSing it. I'm amazed by the credulity and lack of critical thinking in this whole discussion. Nobody seems to have the slightest interest in hearing from KF's point of view ... which is now at any rate impossible because they've been banished from the internet. There are two sides to this conflict and you aren't allowed to hear from one side, so the other side can just relentlessly make shit up, exaggerate, take things out of context, and it will be taken as gospel. So many comments like "I've never heard of KF before but I looked at this hysterical out of context twitter thread and wow I guess it does need to be censored-via-DDOS".
- BryantD 4y ago
  I agree that MTG almost certainly wasn’t swatted by KF. I have, however, spent time reading Kiwifarms well before this controversy. I have zero interest in arguing about the conclusions I reached: I just want to put down a marker and say that you’re wrong. Many people who disagree with you have taken the time to read the site.

paulryanrogers 4y ago

For those not in the know what makes the StormFront situation such a debacle and how is it similar?

schleck8 4y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stormfront_(website) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stormfront_(website)
Cyberdog 4y ago
Both times, people organized a social media campaign to try to get CF to drop services for a site they disliked, and both times CF first refused in the interest of free speech, safe harbor, let law enforcement handle it, etc, then flipped like a switch and dropped their services when the mob didn't go away fast enough. Now you can hate Stormfront's message (I do), and you can hate what people are allowed to say and do on Kiwi Farms, and in that light you can feel that CF's actions are just fine. But just be aware that if your site becomes the next pariah of the internet some way or some how, CF is prone to drop your services as well. And it's their right to do so, of course, but the way they're saying stuff like "The policies we articulated last Wednesday remain our policies" and that this is a special case are rather ridiculous. How many more times will this happen before it stops being a particularly special case?
- ketzo 4y ago
  "Hate the message" is a huge oversimplification. People don't want Stormfront gone for aesthetic reasons. They want Stormfront and similar sites gone because they encourage physical violence against certain peoples. It is, IMO, a huge strawman to say that people just "don't like" these sites.
  - Cyberdog 4y ago
    And it's a huge strawman to imply I said people just wanted SF gone for aesthetic reasons. At any rate, if "hate the message" of SF is inappropriate, what would you suggest instead? I, and many other people, strongly disagree with the ideas that most people on SF advocate for. I think that "hate their message" works just fine there.

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schleck8 4y ago

raxxorraxor 4y ago

Their Twitter denial of service protection is pretty weak.

prezjordan 4y ago

Couldn't agree more. This sets an awful precedent for people who want to start websites dedicated to harassing people to the point of suicide.

AgentME 4y ago

It blows my mind that someone would judge a company for not hosting a literal neonazi website.

Cyberdog 4y ago
If you think KF was a literal neonazi site, either you don't know what "literal" means or you have a ridiculously broad definition of "neonazi." Given the absolute state of modern American politics, I'm afraid it's the latter, but who knows.
- AgentME 4y ago
  I was referring to Stormfront there and how you called that situation "the Stormfront debacle", as if the bad thing about the situation was CF stopping working with them.
  - AgentME 4y ago
    Actually, somewhat related: it turns out that the owner of KF was also hosting a literal neonazi website in addition to KF. (https://twitter.com/keffals/status/1566335693663731712 https://twitter.com/keffals/status/1566335693663731712) If I did seem to call KF or its owner neonazi, I don't think it would be completely in the wrong to do so.
- stonogo 4y ago
  grandparent poster was obviously talking about stormfront
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- tjr225 4y ago
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zionic 4y ago

What other reasonable conclusion exists besides the CEO of cloudfare being a coward?

Copenjin 4y ago

You took the worst example you could take and that says a lot. Do you plan to build something like kiwifarms? Don't and grow up, focus on building useful projects.