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KF is just a forum, nothing posted there is illegal.

kevingadd 4y ago
Sadly, laws do in fact prohibit the posting of certain kinds of information and messages - for example, death threats, dox or hate speech, depending on your locale. Being "just a forum" does not change this. We can debate whether the laws should restrict speech that way, but don't pretend the laws in western countries don't exist.
- ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
- OrangeMonkey 4y ago
  Sounds great - if a website is hosting content that is illegal, then there are laws that can be enforced by the government. The government, in the united states at least, cannot restrict freedom of speech. Its kind of a big deal. Hoping that corporations revoke their ddos protection so that terrorists can ddos them down is laughable. "I know the government can't do it, but ... just walk away wink wink and I am sure the problem will be fixed wink wink". Come on.
  - zimpenfish 4y ago
    > The government, in the united states at least, cannot restrict freedom of speech. But USGOV doesn't run Cloudflare. They are perfectly able to pick and choose their own customers without any reference to 1A. > if a website is hosting content that is illegal No-one is obliged to service them.
    - OrangeMonkey 4y ago
      You seem to misunderstand - or at least I hope you are misunderstanding. If a group is doing something illegal, the government should act. You seem to imply "Well if they are doing something illegal, people shouldn't have to work with them." I think you know what I know - they aren't going to be targeted by the government because they are not, in fact, doing something illegal.
      - zimpenfish 4y ago
        > If a group is doing something illegal, the government should act. Yes but as you surely know, the government has limited resources which precludes them from acting on every illegal act in a timely manner. Which means that groups can, and do, get away with illegal acts for a long time before they get to the front of the queue for being dealt with. > they aren't going to be targeted by the government because they are not, in fact, doing something illegal. It is a fact that the government may not target you because you are not doing something illegal - 100%, yes. But it is also a fact that you can be doing something illegal for a long time before the government targets you. You cannot use government inaction as proof one way or the other.
zorpner 4y ago
The devil has enough advocates. Don't feel the need to throw your hat into the ring.
- ThrowawayTestr 4y ago

Sadly, laws do in fact prohibit the posting of certain kinds of information and messages - for example, death threats, dox or hate speech, depending on your locale. Being "just a forum" does not change this. We can debate whether the laws should restrict speech that way, but don't pretend the laws in western countries don't exist.

ThrowawayTestr 4y ago
OrangeMonkey 4y ago
Sounds great - if a website is hosting content that is illegal, then there are laws that can be enforced by the government. The government, in the united states at least, cannot restrict freedom of speech. Its kind of a big deal. Hoping that corporations revoke their ddos protection so that terrorists can ddos them down is laughable. "I know the government can't do it, but ... just walk away wink wink and I am sure the problem will be fixed wink wink". Come on.
- zimpenfish 4y ago
  > The government, in the united states at least, cannot restrict freedom of speech. But USGOV doesn't run Cloudflare. They are perfectly able to pick and choose their own customers without any reference to 1A. > if a website is hosting content that is illegal No-one is obliged to service them.
  - OrangeMonkey 4y ago
    You seem to misunderstand - or at least I hope you are misunderstanding. If a group is doing something illegal, the government should act. You seem to imply "Well if they are doing something illegal, people shouldn't have to work with them." I think you know what I know - they aren't going to be targeted by the government because they are not, in fact, doing something illegal.
    - zimpenfish 4y ago
      > If a group is doing something illegal, the government should act. Yes but as you surely know, the government has limited resources which precludes them from acting on every illegal act in a timely manner. Which means that groups can, and do, get away with illegal acts for a long time before they get to the front of the queue for being dealt with. > they aren't going to be targeted by the government because they are not, in fact, doing something illegal. It is a fact that the government may not target you because you are not doing something illegal - 100%, yes. But it is also a fact that you can be doing something illegal for a long time before the government targets you. You cannot use government inaction as proof one way or the other.

zorpner 4y ago

The devil has enough advocates. Don't feel the need to throw your hat into the ring.

ThrowawayTestr 4y ago