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Leadership might not know every detail, but that doesn't absolve them of the responsibility to know (and find out, and correct it once they do so similar things

by mook 4y ago

Leadership might not know every detail, but that doesn't absolve them of the responsibility to know (and find out, and correct it once they do so similar things don't happen again). This one only came to their attention because Tavis Ormandy is famous and it got on HN front page; how many other insurance didn't?

jonnybgood 4y ago
You’re talking about unknown unknowns. You can’t deal with the problem unless you know the problem actually exists.
- altdataseller 4y ago
  .. which doesnt really absolve them of responsibility.
- sour-taste 4y ago
  So an ostrich with its head in the sand is the ideal CEO for any large corporation? Come on.
  - kelnos 4y ago
    That's quite the straw man. It's possible to be thoughtful and introspective, and try to learn about the things you don't know, but still fail to learn literally everything. We're only human.
  - Spooky23 4y ago
    You do realize that you’re posting in a thread downstream of the CTO of the company? …On a public message board and seems interested in figuring out what is or isn’t happening.
adw 4y ago
It also speaks to culture. Decisions individuals make in large organisations are, on average, downstream of institutional culture, so if a large organisation is responsible for a lot of bad decisions then the leaders are responsible for the culture which made those decisions seem reasonable.
yunohn 4y ago
> but that doesn't absolve them of the responsibility to know This is really naive. Every layer of indirection misses out on details, esp in an organization (public, private, gov, even at team levels). Surely you understand this basic concept?
- mook 4y ago
  I didn't mention anything about not understanding why things happen; just that they're still responsible for it. Part of the reason they have higher compensation is because they have the responsibly and have the risk that they'll need to deal with things not entirely their fault?

by mook 4y ago

jonnybgood 4y ago

You’re talking about unknown unknowns. You can’t deal with the problem unless you know the problem actually exists.

altdataseller 4y ago
.. which doesnt really absolve them of responsibility.
sour-taste 4y ago
So an ostrich with its head in the sand is the ideal CEO for any large corporation? Come on.
- kelnos 4y ago
  That's quite the straw man. It's possible to be thoughtful and introspective, and try to learn about the things you don't know, but still fail to learn literally everything. We're only human.
- Spooky23 4y ago
  You do realize that you’re posting in a thread downstream of the CTO of the company? …On a public message board and seems interested in figuring out what is or isn’t happening.

adw 4y ago

It also speaks to culture. Decisions individuals make in large organisations are, on average, downstream of institutional culture, so if a large organisation is responsible for a lot of bad decisions then the leaders are responsible for the culture which made those decisions seem reasonable.

yunohn 4y ago

> but that doesn't absolve them of the responsibility to know This is really naive. Every layer of indirection misses out on details, esp in an organization (public, private, gov, even at team levels). Surely you understand this basic concept?

mook 4y ago
I didn't mention anything about not understanding why things happen; just that they're still responsible for it. Part of the reason they have higher compensation is because they have the responsibly and have the risk that they'll need to deal with things not entirely their fault?