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This kind of behavior is an extension of the problematic entitlement towards OSS imo. „Brew is a bad neighbor“ is not a fair description for a free (!) tool tha

by manmal 4y ago

This kind of behavior is an extension of the problematic entitlement towards OSS imo. „Brew is a bad neighbor“ is not a fair description for a free (!) tool that made millions of dev lives easier.

tomxor 4y ago
> not a fair description for a free (!) tool that made millions of dev lives easier. I think part of the problem is for those stuck with Macs, for whatever reason - brew doesn't merely make their life as a dev easier, it makes being a dev possible - which only worsens the sense of entitlement.
- bardworx 4y ago
  Are you implying you cannot be a dev w/o brew?
  - tomxor 4y ago
    No. I'm saying on MacOS, for certain types of development where you need BSD or GNU userland tools not included in MacOS - a package manager for installing such tools like brew is required to make life sane and workable.
    - bardworx 4y ago
      > brew doesn't merely make their life as a dev easier, it makes being a dev possible Your comment made it seemed as if there was no way to develop on a Mac before homebrew, which I think is silly. It’s just a tool. Makes your life easier but that’s it.
      - tomxor 4y ago
        I've given you the clarification, I'm not willing to continue a discussion based on pedantry.
- Razengan 4y ago
  So many assumptions in one entitled comment.
  - robertlagrant 4y ago
    I can't see anything entitled in the comment. What do you mean?
kweingar 4y ago
Pointing out the flaws in open source software is totally fair, especially when the software is popular enough to have a gravitational pull on the rest of the ecosystem. Of course, you need to be mindful not to be a jerk to the developers and maintainers, but that is different from criticizing the software. If criticism of open source software was “problematic entitlement”, then I guess we’d have to swallow our tongues when Linux, Android, Chromium, Firefox, etc. make poor decisions. After all, they’ve helped billions of users, so who are we to question them?
- manmal 4y ago
  > you need to be mindful not to be a jerk to the developers and maintainers And you don’t think the article ticks that box?
- acdha 4y ago
  This article is aggressive but does it really point out a flaw? It alleged a few problems but didn’t substantiate anything (doing so would likely have helped the author learn why the security point is mostly theater) and the bulk of it was describing how it was more work to use an unsupported configuration but still relatively easy because the Homebrew authors documented how to do so. That seems like an appropriate title would be “TIL: how to install Homebrew in a custom path” rather than the hyperbolic one he picked.

by manmal 4y ago

tomxor 4y ago

> not a fair description for a free (!) tool that made millions of dev lives easier. I think part of the problem is for those stuck with Macs, for whatever reason - brew doesn't merely make their life as a dev easier, it makes being a dev possible - which only worsens the sense of entitlement.

bardworx 4y ago
Are you implying you cannot be a dev w/o brew?
- tomxor 4y ago
  No. I'm saying on MacOS, for certain types of development where you need BSD or GNU userland tools not included in MacOS - a package manager for installing such tools like brew is required to make life sane and workable.
  - bardworx 4y ago
    > brew doesn't merely make their life as a dev easier, it makes being a dev possible Your comment made it seemed as if there was no way to develop on a Mac before homebrew, which I think is silly. It’s just a tool. Makes your life easier but that’s it.
    - tomxor 4y ago
      I've given you the clarification, I'm not willing to continue a discussion based on pedantry.
Razengan 4y ago
So many assumptions in one entitled comment.
- robertlagrant 4y ago
  I can't see anything entitled in the comment. What do you mean?

kweingar 4y ago

Pointing out the flaws in open source software is totally fair, especially when the software is popular enough to have a gravitational pull on the rest of the ecosystem. Of course, you need to be mindful not to be a jerk to the developers and maintainers, but that is different from criticizing the software. If criticism of open source software was “problematic entitlement”, then I guess we’d have to swallow our tongues when Linux, Android, Chromium, Firefox, etc. make poor decisions. After all, they’ve helped billions of users, so who are we to question them?

manmal 4y ago
> you need to be mindful not to be a jerk to the developers and maintainers And you don’t think the article ticks that box?
acdha 4y ago
This article is aggressive but does it really point out a flaw? It alleged a few problems but didn’t substantiate anything (doing so would likely have helped the author learn why the security point is mostly theater) and the bulk of it was describing how it was more work to use an unsupported configuration but still relatively easy because the Homebrew authors documented how to do so. That seems like an appropriate title would be “TIL: how to install Homebrew in a custom path” rather than the hyperbolic one he picked.